Lionel HO SP Daylight question

Lionel HO SP Daylight question

Post by Shystev » Wed, 26 Dec 2001 01:36:38



Hi all,
Got kind of a dumb question. I have been looking around on the web and stumbled
onto an HO scale version of the SP Daylight made by Lionel. I have seen this
engine before and always wanted it but just never got around to buying it. I
compared the picture of the locomotive to my Bachman 4449 version of the
locomotive and noticed the 2 engines were slightly different. The Lionel
version has a gray or silver nose that extends farther back on the engine. The
bachman version has the silver or gray nose but only on the very front of the
locomotive.
My main question is.    Is the Lionel version the 4449 or is it numbered with a
different road number altogether? Are these two seperate versions of the same
locomotive or just 2 different but similar locomotives?
It probably doesn't matter much anyway. I collect Daylight locos and cars so I
may try to buy it anyway just because it does look different.
When or if my Daylight collection is complete i am hoping to have between 10 -
12 locomotives with between 40 - 60 cars. I know alot of the trains never
really existed or were used but still be cool to have a collection that large.
Thats part of the fun of model railroading.
Thanks,
Steve
 
 
 

Lionel HO SP Daylight question

Post by Trainma » Wed, 26 Dec 2001 03:14:45


There may be differences in the drive and paint, but the Lionel and Bachmann
models came from the same tooling.

Don

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Quote:
> Hi all,
> Got kind of a dumb question. I have been looking around on the web and
stumbled
> onto an HO scale version of the SP Daylight made by Lionel. I have seen
this
> engine before and always wanted it but just never got around to buying it.
I
> compared the picture of the locomotive to my Bachman 4449 version of the
> locomotive and noticed the 2 engines were slightly different. The Lionel
> version has a gray or silver nose that extends farther back on the engine.
The
> bachman version has the silver or gray nose but only on the very front of
the
> locomotive.
> My main question is.    Is the Lionel version the 4449 or is it numbered
with a
> different road number altogether? Are these two seperate versions of the
same
> locomotive or just 2 different but similar locomotives?
> It probably doesn't matter much anyway. I collect Daylight locos and cars
so I
> may try to buy it anyway just because it does look different.
> When or if my Daylight collection is complete i am hoping to have between
10 -
> 12 locomotives with between 40 - 60 cars. I know alot of the trains never
> really existed or were used but still be cool to have a collection that
large.
> Thats part of the fun of model railroading.
> Thanks,
> Steve


 
 
 

Lionel HO SP Daylight question

Post by Fred Dabne » Wed, 26 Dec 2001 04:25:13


Quote:
> My main question is.    Is the Lionel version the 4449 or is it
numbered with a
> different road number altogether? Are these two seperate

versions of the same

Quote:
> locomotive or just 2 different but similar locomotives?

Lionel, through the Hong Kong firm of Kader Brothers, arranged
for a Daylight for their bi-centennial train set.  This was the
red,
white and blue loco with the display cars.  After the hoopla
died down, the same loco was then offered in the classic SP
"Daylight' colors.

Later, Lionel exited the HO market (again) and Kader, which
owed Bachmann by that time re-ran it to sell under the latter
name in the US market.

Each successive production run has had some revisions in
both paint and mechanism but under it all, they are the
same basic loco.

They are "factory variations" however, and if you are
collecting, it's a valid reason to have them all.  Hell, if
you are a "collector", even the different boxes are a
valid reason but that's another topic.

If you like it, can afford it, get it.  None of them pull
worth a dang but they were never intended to be
used by a serious model railroader anyway.

That may change, from what I understand.

Fred D.

 
 
 

Lionel HO SP Daylight question

Post by DRGW4 » Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:46:26


Fred,

are you saying that Bachman is thinking about releasing a Daylight engine that
pulls???? And maybe is to standards such as their recent steam engines?

Would be nice...
Martin

 
 
 

Lionel HO SP Daylight question

Post by Fred Dabne » Sat, 29 Dec 2001 14:42:09


Quote:
> are you saying that Bachman is thinking about releasing a

Daylight engine that

Quote:
> pulls???? And maybe is to standards such as their recent steam
engines?

> Would be nice...

I don't claim to be privy to anything from the inner circles,
but there have been rumors that all the present steam line,
at least the big engines will be upgraded to a better mechanism,
if not to full Spectrum level.

Didn't they do something with the N&W "J" recently?  If
so, that would be a clue to where they are going.

Also, Bowser has announced they are re-releasing their
aftermarket chassis for the 4-8-4's with some upgrading.

Fred D.

 
 
 

Lionel HO SP Daylight question

Post by DRGW4 » Sat, 29 Dec 2001 22:49:29


Thanks for the "close to inner circle but not in it" view :-)

I heard about several upgrades before, but I am never sure when the REAL
upgrade hits. It needs to be something more than another tweak to make me buy
another one. I have an older definitely non-Spectrum one and it is nice to look
at. Thanks also for the update on the Bowser drives....

Martin

 
 
 

Lionel HO SP Daylight question

Post by Peter Kin » Sun, 30 Dec 2001 01:34:00


Quote:

stuff deleted...

> Didn't they do something with the N&W "J" recently?  If
> so, that would be a clue to where they are going.

Yes, they are available now.

Quote:
> Also, Bowser has announced they are re-releasing their
> aftermarket chassis for the 4-8-4's with some upgrading.

> Fred D.

Good news. A 'J' that will pull the house down!

Peter King in NY

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Cartoonist, artist, illustrator, philosopher, humanitarian.
Rest in peace, old friend. And thank you for a lifetime of smiles and
laughter.

 
 
 

Lionel HO SP Daylight question

Post by Fred Dabne » Sun, 30 Dec 2001 03:02:28


Quote:
> Thanks for the "close to inner circle but not in it" view :-)

> I heard about several upgrades before, but I am never sure when
the REAL
> upgrade hits. It needs to be something more than another tweak
to make me buy
> another one. I have an older definitely non-Spectrum one and it
is nice to look
> at. Thanks also for the update on the Bowser drives....

Not even close to it.  They're a long way from here, and I'm
a long way from where the action is.  It's just what I've read
on some mailing lists, and I think Mr. English himself said
he was returning the Bowser drives to production due to
many requests for them.

So the Bowser product is probably valid, the Bachmann
is just scuttlebutt.  But reasonable.  They do seem to be
making a serious effort to improve the steam engines
and have made no moves in the diesel market in a long
time, at least in the US.

They did produce a new diesel last year.  It was of the
first totally built in China locomotive, and they imported
a few into the US.

My understanding is that the prototype is standard gage-
56.5 inches, and I'd like to get one to run as a demonstrator,
just for grins.

Who knows?  Odder things happen all the time...

Fred D.