What HO turnouts have (real) rail for the points ?

What HO turnouts have (real) rail for the points ?

Post by Eddie T. Atkin » Sun, 17 Dec 2000 00:48:10



Hi Yall :
What turnout use real rail for the points . I'm starting a new layout
shortly and want to get rid of the Atlas turnouts that I have .
They are all snap track :(
I feel in order to improve performance in the turnouts they need to be
made of real track all the way through them including the points.
I've considered building turnouts but dont have the time. I have a
couple of peco turnouts and they look like they will work ok but the
points are still not the same type of rail as the stock rails.
 
 
 

What HO turnouts have (real) rail for the points ?

Post by Edward Oate » Sun, 17 Dec 2000 01:44:42


Look at Tillig Pilz Elite turnouts: code 83, one piece point/closure rail,
DCC friendly:

See http://www.euro-trains.com and click on the "tillig" button on the title
page.

Or,

http://www.trainconnection.com/

I've ordered from euro-trains above. The stuff arrived promptly and
correctly. I've no affiliation with either site, or tillig. I just like the
product. Unfortunately, I discovered it after I had installed Shinohara
turnouts (and modified them :( everywhere. Any new stuff I add will be Pilz
Elite.

Ed.


wrote on 12/15/00 7:48 AM:

Quote:
> Hi Yall :
> What turnout use real rail for the points . I'm starting a new layout
> shortly and want to get rid of the Atlas turnouts that I have .
> They are all snap track :(
> I feel in order to improve performance in the turnouts they need to be
> made of real track all the way through them including the points.
> I've considered building turnouts but dont have the time. I have a
> couple of peco turnouts and they look like they will work ok but the
> points are still not the same type of rail as the stock rails.


 
 
 

What HO turnouts have (real) rail for the points ?

Post by James R Bernie » Sun, 17 Dec 2000 01:42:35


Eddie

  Atlas 'Snap Switches' and 'Customline' turnouts both use real
nickel-silver points.  Are you talking about the 'frog' area?  That is the
place where the rails cross.  On the 'Snap Switches' and older
Customline(like more than 20 years ago),  the frog was plastic.  There
still are on the 'Snap Switches', but the Customline units have a cast
metal frog.

  Peco 'ElectroFrog' and Walthers/Shinnohara turnouts have all metal frogs
made out of the same rail as the rest of the turnout.

Jim Bernier

Quote:

> Hi Yall :
> What turnout use real rail for the points . I'm starting a new layout
> shortly and want to get rid of the Atlas turnouts that I have .
> They are all snap track :(
> I feel in order to improve performance in the turnouts they need to be
> made of real track all the way through them including the points.
> I've considered building turnouts but dont have the time. I have a
> couple of peco turnouts and they look like they will work ok but the
> points are still not the same type of rail as the stock rails.

 
 
 

What HO turnouts have (real) rail for the points ?

Post by Bob Ma » Sun, 17 Dec 2000 04:11:05


The Railway Engineering kits are the only ones that use rail for the
points.  Other than that, you need to build your own.  It doesn't take
all that long (I've built a turnout and put a motor on it in an
evening!) to build a turnout properly if you have the necessary
equipment.  For longer stretches of track, use flextrack but plan on
short sections of track you might as well just lay the rail.

--
Bob May
Remember that computers do exactly what you tell them to do, not what
you think that you told them!
Bob May

 
 
 

What HO turnouts have (real) rail for the points ?

Post by Trainma » Sun, 17 Dec 2000 09:42:08


Does Tru-Scale still make turnouts?  Their "Hi-Speed" turnout was a
relatively nice design, since the wing rails were part of the points there
was no gap to fall into at the frog.

Don

--

http://www.geocities.com/don_dellmann


Quote:
> The Railway Engineering kits are the only ones that use rail for the
> points.  Other than that, you need to build your own.  It doesn't take
> all that long (I've built a turnout and put a motor on it in an
> evening!) to build a turnout properly if you have the necessary
> equipment.  For longer stretches of track, use flextrack but plan on
> short sections of track you might as well just lay the rail.

> --
> Bob May
> Remember that computers do exactly what you tell them to do, not what
> you think that you told them!
> Bob May

 
 
 

What HO turnouts have (real) rail for the points ?

Post by Pacific » Sun, 17 Dec 2000 09:54:31


Quote:

>The Railway Engineering kits are the only ones that use rail for the
>points

  Shinohara (and Walthers/Shinohara) use rail for the points as well,
with hinges. Same as on the Micro Engineering. The ME HOn3
turnouts do NOT use a point hinge but flex the rail. I am anxious to
see how those work. The RE kits are the same as if you built
from scratch, along with the BK kits. These last two would be the
best way to go but are NOT for beginners. I personally use Shinohara
on HO & N and Peco on the On30, but the RE kits are looking
very interesting to me..............
-John
 
 
 

What HO turnouts have (real) rail for the points ?

Post by Ernie Fis » Sun, 17 Dec 2000 12:25:25


2000

Quote:
> see how those work. The RE kits are the same as if you built
> from scratch, along with the BK kits. These last two would be the
> best way to go but are NOT for beginners. I personally use Shinohara
> on HO & N and Peco on the On30, but the RE kits are looking
> very interesting to me..............

Actually the RE switches are real easy to install.  You just have to
figure
out where the ties go.  The biggest problem I have fund on them is
that
there is no hole in the center of the point throwbar and there isn't
much room
drill one.  You have to mount the throw outside the stock rails.  It
is okay it
you use a ground throw or switchstand.  I guess I will have to learn
to make
slots for the tortoise rod rather than a hole.

After using RE, Micro Engineering and Shinohara switches I can say
that
none are without drawbacks but RE is probably my favorite.

--
ernie fisch

 
 
 

What HO turnouts have (real) rail for the points ?

Post by Dick Ganderto » Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:03:10


Why would you be worried about flexing the point blade rails? If you
were modelling British or European prototypes that's the only way to do
it as that's how the full-size railways make their blades.

Until I got interested in US modelling I had always built my own
trackwork and all my turnouts have flexing blades electrically bonded to
the adjacent stock rails with the crossing Vee assembly electrically
isolated and switched with a microswitch operated by the throwbar
assembly under the baseboard. I find the US methods of making turnouts
to be strange and potentially unreliable, but I will have to live with
the funny loose fishplate "hinge" since that appears to be how it's done
in full size!

I am currently using Micro Engineering turnouts and track but modifying
the turnouts to be electrically more reliable.

Quote:

> >The Railway Engineering kits are the only ones that use rail for the
> >points

>   Shinohara (and Walthers/Shinohara) use rail for the points as well,
> with hinges. Same as on the Micro Engineering. The ME HOn3
> turnouts do NOT use a point hinge but flex the rail. I am anxious to
> see how those work. The RE kits are the same as if you built
> from scratch, along with the BK kits. These last two would be the
> best way to go but are NOT for beginners. I personally use Shinohara
> on HO & N and Peco on the On30, but the RE kits are looking
> very interesting to me..............
> -John