Why is it that DCC-ready locomotives are running about 3x the cost of older,
non-DCC-ready locomotives? Most of us do not need nor have any reason to
use DCC, so are we subsidizing the DCC industry?
Looks to me wherever you buy your traisn is ripping you immensely ....
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More complicated: Those old, cheap locomotives don't run that well anyway
in comparison to today's product. Pancake motors, binding gears, and lack
of detail are only a few of the things about those "older, non-DCC_ready"
locomotives that I suspect few modlers, DCC or non-DCC, would want to go
back to. Most of the cost difference is in improved running and detail
that has absolutely no relation to dcc/non-dcc use. For a valid
comparison, look at _current_ DCC/non-DCC releases. There, you'll find the
price difference is far less than you stated... on the order of 10 percent
or less of total cost.
> >Why is it that DCC-ready locomotives are running about 3x the cost of
> >non-DCC-ready locomotives?
> Simple answer: They're not.
> More complicated: Those old, cheap locomotives don't run that well anyway
> in comparison to today's product. Pancake motors, binding gears, and lack
> of detail are only a few of the things about those "older, non-DCC_ready"
> locomotives that I suspect few modlers, DCC or non-DCC, would want to go
> back to. Most of the cost difference is in improved running and detail
> that has absolutely no relation to dcc/non-dcc use. For a valid
> comparison, look at _current_ DCC/non-DCC releases. There, you'll find the
> price difference is far less than you stated... on the order of 10 percent
> or less of total cost.
> >Most of us do not need nor have any reason to
> >use DCC, so are we subsidizing the DCC industry?
> "Most of us" is a rapidly diminishing number. Actually, _non-DCC_ users
> are the ones being subsidized, because DCC has been designed to accomodate
> non-DCC equipment, making DCC equipment more expensive. With the improved
> _capability_ of DCC control, modelers have become more demanding of
> superior performance in their locomotives, and _everyone_ has reaped the
> Joe Ellis
> Dan Mickey
| I can see about $15 for improved dies for increased details, but about $50
| for the hand-wired circuit-boards for the benefit of the plug-in DCC
Your figures are out of whack with reality. Those circuit boards are a
common part of most diesels with post Kato engineering. They cost pennies
and are used because they are cheaper than the labor cost for hard wiring.
(And remember where that labor is located!) The DCC ready plug added to
those boards /might/ add 3 cents to the cost. A couple years ago when the
dinosaurs were whooping and hollering here about the cost of the Atlas
decoder equipped locomotives an electronics manufacture posted, right here
on rmr, that the cost of the DCC parts on top of the common circuit board
was a couple bucks /at the point of manufacture./ (Not separately packaged,
run through Customs, distributors and so forth.)
So what are you paying for?
The new way of doing business.
Irv would introduce a new locomotive every few /years./ Now we the
consumers expect Kato, Atlas, Life Like to introduce /several/ new
locomotives each year. That means that the owners and the banks can't wait
a few years for the model to amortize. It has to free up the investment on
the basis of one or two runs.
There is your cost. Not a couple bucks worth of electronic parts.
> Dan Mickey
Bill in Oakland Park,FL
> Dan Mickey
> Bill in Oakland Park,FL
> > Why is it that DCC-ready locomotives are running about 3x the cost of
> > non-DCC-ready locomotives? Most of us do not need nor have any reason
> > use DCC, so are we subsidizing the DCC industry?
> > Dan Mickey
Dies, on the other hand, are hideously expensive (I've heard $50,000 thrown
around for a number, but that's a guess). But if you make 5000 units, it
only costs $10 per. However, in this day of limited run, the costs go up as
you make fewer and fewer.
Right now, you are seeing vastly improved models with tons of detail and can
motors in prototypically correct paint schemes with prototypically correct
add on details. Did you not expect the price to go up? DCC capability is
mere pennies compared all these other improvements...
Paul A. Cutler III
Genesis engines are probably some of the finest HO model products on the
market today. The Genesis F-7A is reputed to be the best plastic F-7A,
ever. They in no way can compare to the old Globe Athearn shell they have
been making for the past 40+ years.
Look at what you get with Atlas and Genesis: Seperate grabirons, see-through
grills, superior motors and drive train, great paint quality, etc., etc.,
etc. Only a small insignificant part of this has anything to do with DCC.
All these improvements, however, makes the model more expensive to make than
the old days. This entails a greater financial risk on the manufacturers,
who try to limit their exposure by making fewer models (which raises the
prices even more), as after all, if they can make 1000 units, and sell them
right away for big $, why should they make 2000 units for half the cost and
that might only sell 1001?
Paul A Cutler III
> Right now, you are seeing vastly improved models with tons of
detail and can
> motors in prototypically correct paint schemes with
Freight cars are also skyrocketing. New models are
showing up at over twenty with thirty being forecast for
some still in the pipeline.
And I haven't seen a lot of DCC ready covered
hoppers or boxcars.
One thing to keep in mind is that all the good things
one can expect from the next locomotive releases
may well not be on those new Kato. No one really
knows yet, but the speculation is rampant that, based
on past performance it will probably run well but have
railings sized about right for an 0 scale model, lousy
paint, and a frame one needs to take a milling machine
to if you want to do any detailing.
FWIW, a Bachmann doodlebug from Trainworld is $19.99. And it is (basically)
DCC-ready. A Proto-2000 SD-7 is $50. Whaddya, whaddya, how cheap do you
DCC is simply amazing. Stunning, actually. Makes trains work like you
think they ought-- especially on small layouts.
What I find so interesting is that most folks haven't been exposed to model
trains. When I show them my modest DCC layout and try to explain to them
that trains didn't use to work independently, they look at me funny, and
then say something like "well, why would anyone ever play with them if they
didn't do what you can do right here?"
Most of us can't have a roomful of trains-- and DCC really makes it possible
for multiple folks to have fun on a small layout.
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