Heritage Steam: Life-Like Canada vs. Life-Like USA

Heritage Steam: Life-Like Canada vs. Life-Like USA

Post by DCC Model » Wed, 29 Sep 2004 07:07:58



Can anyone tell me why LL Canada's Heritage steam engines are not "painted"
(they use different colors of molded plastic to represent the difference
between the smokebox and the balance of the shell), whereas LL USA engines
have engine black paint on the shell and a couple different shades of
metallic paints to represent the smokebox?

--
Frank Eva
DCC Models
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Heritage Steam: Life-Like Canada vs. Life-Like USA

Post by Jim McLaughli » Wed, 29 Sep 2004 07:26:51



Quote:
> Can anyone tell me why LL Canada's Heritage steam engines are not
"painted"
> (they use different colors of molded plastic to represent the difference
> between the smokebox and the balance of the shell), whereas LL USA engines
> have engine black paint on the shell and a couple different shades of
> metallic paints to represent the smokebox?

> --
> Frank Eva
> DCC Models
> http://www.dccmodels.com

Odd that what looks to be a  one piece piece of injection molded plastic (
smokebox and boiler look to be all one piece of plastic) would, or could, be
done in two separate "colors" of plastic.

 Must be an interesting bit of tooling on those molds if two separate colors
of plastic go into the one "pour".

--
Jim McLaughlin

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Heritage Steam: Life-Like Canada vs. Life-Like USA

Post by Peter » Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:22:10


<snip>

Quote:
>  Must be an interesting bit of tooling on those molds if two separate colors
> of plastic go into the one "pour".

This type of multi-colored plastic injection molding has been done for a while by
Japanese Sci-Fi kits (Gundam) by a compaies such as BANDAI.

Their kits parts trees are single piece but contain various colored plastic
pieces on them.

http://www.gundamofficial.com/www_ac/gw/product/index2.html

Peteski

 
 
 

Heritage Steam: Life-Like Canada vs. Life-Like USA

Post by Jim McLaughli » Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:48:40




Quote:
> <snip>
> >  Must be an interesting bit of tooling on those molds if two separate
colors
> > of plastic go into the one "pour".

> This type of multi-colored plastic injection molding has been done for a
while by
> Japanese Sci-Fi kits (Gundam) by a compaies such as BANDAI.

> Their kits parts trees are single piece but contain various colored
plastic
> pieces on them.

> http://www.gundamofficial.com/www_ac/gw/product/index2.html

> Peteski

Yes, but what the OP is describing is not multiple parts in multiple colors
on a  single tree, but one part, and only one part, the "tube" that
comprises the boiler / smokebox, which is reportedly cast in two colored
plastics.

    I still suggest that a single piece cast in two separate colors of
plastic requires some interesting tooling of the molds.

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Jim McLaughlin

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Heritage Steam: Life-Like Canada vs. Life-Like USA

Post by DCC Model » Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:25:39



Quote:
>    I still suggest that a single piece cast in two separate colors of
> plastic requires some interesting tooling of the molds.

My question was, why does LL Canada produced unpainted steam engines
(plastic parts are molded in near-appropriate colors), whereas LL USA paints
them?

Frank Eva
DCC Models
http://www.dccmodels.com

 
 
 

Heritage Steam: Life-Like Canada vs. Life-Like USA

Post by Paul Wels » Thu, 30 Sep 2004 00:25:42


Quote:



> > Can anyone tell me why LL Canada's Heritage steam engines are not
> "painted"
> > (they use different colors of molded plastic to represent the difference
> > between the smokebox and the balance of the shell), whereas LL USA engines
> > have engine black paint on the shell and a couple different shades of
> > metallic paints to represent the smokebox?

> Odd that what looks to be a  one piece piece of injection molded plastic (
> smokebox and boiler look to be all one piece of plastic) would, or could, be
> done in two separate "colors" of plastic.

>  Must be an interesting bit of tooling on those molds if two separate colors
> of plastic go into the one "pour".

Ten or 15 years ago I watched computer keyboard keys being made. First
they molded the letters, numbers, etc. in one (dark) color. Then they
placed the "tree" of parts into another mold and molded the keys around
the letters in another (light) color. So, it was not done in "one pour."

I think the molds for a model boiler shell would be a lot simpler than
those for a keyboard.

Paul Welsh

 
 
 

Heritage Steam: Life-Like Canada vs. Life-Like USA

Post by allerg » Thu, 30 Sep 2004 00:48:20



Quote:
> Can anyone tell me why LL Canada's Heritage steam engines are
not "painted"
> (they use different colors of molded plastic to represent the
difference
> between the smokebox and the balance of the shell), whereas LL
USA engines
> have engine black paint on the shell and a couple different
shades of
> metallic paints to represent the smokebox?

> --
> Frank Eva
> DCC Models
> http://www.dccmodels.com

Hi Frank;

I personally don't have an answer for you, but you could try
Hobbycraft, which is LL's agent here in Canada. They're at
www.hobbycraft.com .  They do the "Canadianization" of LL's
stuff, and usually use P2K or P1K stuff to decorate their own
semi-Canadian locos and cars, including the Heritage steam.

Be warned, though; Hobbycraft has only a mediocre reputation
amongst Canadian modellers in general.  They've just come out
with a run of 36' Fowler cars in CN, CP, and THB.  The nits have
been picked, and, if the response on the Canadian modelling Yahoo
Groups is any indication, most folks will wait for the New
England Rail Service version.  Hobbycraft's version is about
$35.00, is RTR, missing dimensional data on one side of the CN
run, has a die-cast and very sparse underbody, and may or may not
sit too high.  And they've been touting these cars for a year or
two as one of the most accurate Canadian models made.

In Hobbycraft's defense, however, they have taken the risk a few
times to produce "close-enough" Canadian prototype models.
Because we in Canada are such a small market, I don't think any
of the majors, (LL, Atlas, Athearn, etc.), would bother taking
that kind of risk.  Just not worth it for them.

They also do not enjoy a good reputation for responding to
customer's concerns in a timely fashion.  So if you do contact
them through their website, they may or may not respond; but, if
they do, at least you'd get it straight from the horse's mouth.

Garth Allen,
Ottawa, ON

 
 
 

Heritage Steam: Life-Like Canada vs. Life-Like USA

Post by Jon Mille » Thu, 30 Sep 2004 00:55:57


LL Canada is a different importer than LL USA and does a lot of things
differently.  They were also importing tenders in small batch lots.  I'm
guessing their pricing structure is a lot different from the LL USA and
probably many other factors.
 
 
 

Heritage Steam: Life-Like Canada vs. Life-Like USA

Post by Mark Newto » Thu, 30 Sep 2004 05:11:53


 >> Odd that what looks to be a one piece piece of injection molded
 >> plastic ( smokebox and boiler look to be all one piece of plastic)
 >> would, or could, be done in two separate "colors" of plastic.
 >>
 >> Must be an interesting bit of tooling on those molds if two
 >> separate colors of plastic go into the one "pour".
 >
 > Ten or 15 years ago I watched computer keyboard keys being made.
 > First they molded the letters, numbers, etc. in one (dark) color.
 > Then they placed the "tree" of parts into another mold and molded the
 >  keys around the letters in another (light) color. So, it was not
 > done in "one pour."
 >
 > I think the molds for a model boiler shell would be a lot simpler
 > than those for a keyboard.

Is it in fact a one-piece molding, or just a very neat fit between two
separate parts?

 
 
 

Heritage Steam: Life-Like Canada vs. Life-Like USA

Post by Paul Wels » Fri, 01 Oct 2004 01:36:49


Quote:


>  >> Odd that what looks to be a one piece piece of injection molded
>  >> plastic ( smokebox and boiler look to be all one piece of plastic)
>  >> would, or could, be done in two separate "colors" of plastic.

>  >> Must be an interesting bit of tooling on those molds if two
>  >> separate colors of plastic go into the one "pour".

>  > Ten or 15 years ago I watched computer keyboard keys being made.
>  > First they molded the letters, numbers, etc. in one (dark) color.
>  > Then they placed the "tree" of parts into another mold and molded the
>  >  keys around the letters in another (light) color. So, it was not
>  > done in "one pour."

>  > I think the molds for a model boiler shell would be a lot simpler
>  > than those for a keyboard.

> Is it in fact a one-piece molding, or just a very neat fit between two
> separate parts?

It is two separate injection molding operations with two separate die
sets. The part from the first die is placed in the second die and
plastic molded around it. So, the product is essentially a single piece
of plastic.

Paul Welsh