Athearn "Ready to Roll" grumble

Athearn "Ready to Roll" grumble

Post by Fred Dabne » Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:37:17



I recently got the GP38-2 in the "Pacific Pride" scheme,
and since there is no such thing as a "ready to run" model
so far, I had to take it apart to add details and fix other
things.

In the process I discovered that the damned *** motor]
mounts are glued into the frame, and I destroyed them taking
the motor out to properly wire it.

If you do as I do and provide a hard, wired ground, or need to
take the motor out to fit DCC, be warned!  Luckily I had spare
mounts but I doubt if most folk have a stash of them handy.

And the package won't let you store it in the box it came in
when you finish it- rooftop antennae, awnings, those things
will get smeared if you try to put it back in...

The more I see of this RTR paradigm, the less I like it...

Fred D.

 
 
 

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Post by no longer not on The Haggi » Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:26:53


Quote:

> I recently got the GP38-2 in the "Pacific Pride" scheme,
> and since there is no such thing as a "ready to run" model
> so far, I had to take it apart to add details and fix other
> things.

> In the process I discovered that the damned *** motor]
> mounts are glued into the frame, and I destroyed them taking
> the motor out to properly wire it.

> If you do as I do and provide a hard, wired ground, or need to
> take the motor out to fit DCC, be warned!  Luckily I had spare
> mounts but I doubt if most folk have a stash of them handy.

> And the package won't let you store it in the box it came in
> when you finish it- rooftop antennae, awnings, those things
> will get smeared if you try to put it back in...

> The more I see of this RTR paradigm, the less I like it...

> Fred D.

I've seen this off and on.  Even one glued and one not.  Strange.

But, I do have a pack of spares sitting somewhere, so it's not a
catastrophy.  But, it makes removing the motor a bit of a challenge.

Kennedy

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Post by Lungsho » Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:29:10


Quote:
>The more I see of this RTR paradigm, the less I like it...

Ready to Redesign, Ready to Ruin, Ready to Return, Ready to Rant.....take your
pick.

ED

 
 
 

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Post by Paul Newhou » Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:27:37




Quote:
>>The more I see of this RTR paradigm, the less I like it...

> Ready to Redesign, Ready to Ruin, Ready to Return, Ready to Rant.....take your
> pick.

Really Truly Revolting?
 
 
 

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Post by mad scientis » Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:49:43


This raises a question I have about the Athearn RI SW1500 I bought recently.
The stanchions appear to be made of flat metal cut into strips with a loop
at one end to accomodate the handrail.  Is that prototypical?  I thought the
stanchions should be round, like piano wire.  FWIW.
--
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Quote:
> I recently got the GP38-2 in the "Pacific Pride" scheme,
> and since there is no such thing as a "ready to run" model
> so far, I had to take it apart to add details and fix other
> things.

> In the process I discovered that the damned *** motor]
> mounts are glued into the frame, and I destroyed them taking
> the motor out to properly wire it.

> If you do as I do and provide a hard, wired ground, or need to
> take the motor out to fit DCC, be warned!  Luckily I had spare
> mounts but I doubt if most folk have a stash of them handy.

> And the package won't let you store it in the box it came in
> when you finish it- rooftop antennae, awnings, those things
> will get smeared if you try to put it back in...

> The more I see of this RTR paradigm, the less I like it...

> Fred D.

 
 
 

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Post by wearing fire retardent su » Wed, 30 Oct 2002 02:44:09


Quote:
>Ready to Redesign, Ready to Ruin, Ready to Return, Ready to Rant.....take
>your
>pick.

Ready To Recycle, or Return To Retailer,

I agree with Fred, the RTR thing has really upset a good number of our
customers.  The fact that they now bought our Rail Power has really upset a
bunch of our custom modelers.  Especially since they haven't decided whether or
not they will offer the shells undec.

John

 
 
 

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Post by rathburn » Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:41:31


John Buddy,  "our"?

The only thing about them buying Railpower that I don't like is it is
scaring some companies like IM from releasing good units versus the soap
blocks that Railpower
shells were.

Ready to Reduce to soap foam if RTR includes Railpower.



Quote:
>>Ready to Redesign, Ready to Ruin, Ready to Return, Ready to Rant.....take
>>your
>>pick.

>Ready To Recycle, or Return To Retailer,

>I agree with Fred, the RTR thing has really upset a good number of our
>customers.  The fact that they now bought our Rail Power has really upset a
>bunch of our custom modelers.  Especially since they haven't decided
whether or
>not they will offer the shells undec.

>John

 
 
 

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Post by wearing fire retardent su » Wed, 30 Oct 2002 08:52:39


Quote:
>John Buddy,  "our"?

Yes......why do you question that?

John

 
 
 

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Post by wearing fire retardent su » Wed, 30 Oct 2002 08:53:44


RTR

Railpower To Ruin

John

 
 
 

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Post by rathburn » Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:56:02


What do you mean our?  Do you mean the stuff in your shop?
I don't think Athearn bought that?  Do you mean the company?
Did you own that company somehow?  Or is this just a figure of speech?



Quote:
>>John Buddy,  "our"?

>Yes......why do you question that?

>John

 
 
 

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Post by wearing fire retardent su » Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:09:48


Quote:
>What do you mean our?

What I was referrring to was a few customers at the shop where i work part
time. They have expressed extreme displeasure about Athearn buying Railpower
out, and then on top of that saying that they are not sure they want to offer
the shells undec..

John

 
 
 

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Post by Paul » Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:37:38


Quote:
>The stanchions appear to be made of flat metal cut into strips with a loop
>at one end to accomodate the handrail.  Is that prototypical?  I thought the
>stanchions should be round, like piano wire.  FWIW.

It depends.  Later EMD units - from roughly early-production SD/GP9s to the
present - came with a formed channel-section stanchion.  Before that, GP/SD7s
and some early 9's were built with "pipe" stanchions, with a "T" section on top
for threading the handrail through.

A late unit like the SW1500 should have the channel stanchions, but about the
only way you can get a good looking one in model form is through casting them
individually.  That's too time and cost consuming for Athearn, so many, many
years they've been using the flat metal stanchions like you got with you 1500.
Looks "good enough" for most folk, and are practically indestructible.

However, if you want more accurate handrails, Smokey Valley offers correctly
profiled handrail and stanchion kits for a variety of units, and PSC makes
packs of stanchions in various styles and lengths.  Also, Athearn has started
switching over to using molded plastic handrails that look much better than the
metal originals.  AFAIK, they haven't done them for the SW1500, but it's likely
they'll  make them for that model in the near future.
Later
Paul

"I don't think you trust
In, my, self righteous suicide
I, cry, when angels deserve to die"

-System of a Down
"Chop Suey!"
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Post by Bruce Favinge » Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:54:48


Fred,
    You know as well as I do that no one will ever produce a model we won't
have to take apart for some reason. Be it plastic or $1500 brass they all
have to be taken apart for one reason or another. I wish they would save us
the head ache and kit the darn things or at least offer semi kits along with
the RTR. I wouldn't mind at all if locomotives came with the mechanism and
gear assembled, but were otherwise unfinished with enough detail parts to
cover most variations. Kind of like the old TLC kits except better. I guess
no one would buy them though.  Except for you, myself and two other guys.
Bruce


Quote:
> I recently got the GP38-2 in the "Pacific Pride" scheme,
> and since there is no such thing as a "ready to run" model
> so far, I had to take it apart to add details and fix other
> things.

> In the process I discovered that the damned *** motor]
> mounts are glued into the frame, and I destroyed them taking
> the motor out to properly wire it.

> If you do as I do and provide a hard, wired ground, or need to
> take the motor out to fit DCC, be warned!  Luckily I had spare
> mounts but I doubt if most folk have a stash of them handy.

> And the package won't let you store it in the box it came in
> when you finish it- rooftop antennae, awnings, those things
> will get smeared if you try to put it back in...

> The more I see of this RTR paradigm, the less I like it...

> Fred D.

 
 
 

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Post by wearing fire retardent su » Thu, 31 Oct 2002 00:54:37


Quote:
> Except for you, myself and two other guys.

And myself.

I've always wondered why a compnay like Atlas or Athearn never offered an
undec. kit that could be modified with minor detail changes to respesent
numerous road variants.  Another one that has me baffled is why no one like
Train Station or Smokey Valley haven't offered new sideframes for the KATO
SD40-2's.  New meaning corrected and also sideframes for CR prototypes, or even
the NW 3 cylinder sideframes. Or how about the CSX type sideframe for the
C44-9W's.

John Binford

 
 
 

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Post by Peter Kin » Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:12:26


Quote:

stuff deleted...

> In the process I discovered that the damned *** motor]
> mounts are glued into the frame, and I destroyed them taking
> the motor out to properly wire it.

Athearns almost always run when you take them out of the box. It's rare
to find a dud....

EXCEPT......

when it has been jarred sufficiently in shipping to unseat the motor!

It's the most common cause I've seen of DOA Athearns. I suspect the
gluing of the *** mounts is to 'fix' this problem, which is no doubt
made worse by the fact that the RTR units must make a sea journey before
heading to their final destination.

Peter King in NY

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