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Bloody Hell

Post by Rishi Tando » Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:25:19



That should have read ' ***y, help! '... :((

Went to the flying field today, laid out the lines, fueled up the old
kite (A battered but airworthy Senior Sky Bee II), and the engine (3.2 cc
diesel) always turned clockwise (so it was a super weird pusher
engine for the time being) instead of anti CW even though I flipped
the prop in the ACW direction. And this happened 4 times, before we gave up.

Can anyone tell what the problem with the engine might be and how to go
about correcting it?

Thanks.
PS: if you reply, can you please send a cc to this email id, coz the
external newsfeed is shaky. thnx.
--
From:
Rishi Tandon
B.Tech Student
Dept. of Aerospace Engg.
IIT Bombay
*******************************************************************************
Someday we'll look back on this moment and plow into a parked car.
                -- Evan Davis

 
 
 

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Post by daytrippe » Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:35:56




Quote:
>That should have read ' ***y, help! '... :((

>Went to the flying field today, laid out the lines, fueled up the old
>kite (A battered but airworthy Senior Sky Bee II), and the engine (3.2 cc
>diesel) always turned clockwise (so it was a super weird pusher
>engine for the time being) instead of anti CW even though I flipped
>the prop in the ACW direction. And this happened 4 times, before we gave up.

>Can anyone tell what the problem with the engine might be and how to go
>about correcting it?

>Thanks.
>PS: if you reply, can you please send a cc to this email id, coz the
>external newsfeed is shaky. thnx.

Gave up after only four shots? Sheesh, you won't last long in this hobby ;-)

Were you bump-starting it, or pulling it through the compression stroke?

 
 
 

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Post by Mathew Kirs » Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:16:21


Quote:

> Went to the flying field today, laid out the lines, fueled up the old
> kite (A battered but airworthy Senior Sky Bee II), and the engine (3.2 cc
> diesel) always turned clockwise (so it was a super weird pusher
> engine for the time being) instead of anti CW even though I flipped
> the prop in the ACW direction. And this happened 4 times, before we gave up.

A whole 4 times? Your persistence is overwhelming. 4 times is nothing.
Sometimes engines can start up backwards 12 or more times before
running in the proper direction. Now, if it's taking you a long time
to get the engine to start each time, you need to learn how to
properly start a diesel. That's something I can't help you with,
unfortunately.

Quote:
> Can anyone tell what the problem with the engine might be and how to go
> about correcting it?

There isn't necessarily a problem with your engine. It may be your
starting technique. You can't just flip the engine in the direction
it's supposed to run; you have to flip it THROUGH compression/ignition
with enough force that it keeps running in that direction. Otherwise,
the engine bounces off compression and starts running backwards. Some
people use this to their advantage, using "reverse psychology" to make
their engines run in the correct direction. They flip the engine
clockwise, it bounces off compression and starts running
anti-clockwise.
 
 
 

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Post by Ed Forsyth » Tue, 29 Oct 2002 23:23:18


Try starting the engine by flipping the prop clockwise.  Diesels can be a
pain unless you have the starting drill down pat.  It's been a looong time
since I had one, but if my memory serves correctly, you might try backing
off on the compression just a bit.  Good luck.
--
Happy Flying,
Ed F.


Quote:
> That should have read ' ***y, help! '... :((

> Went to the flying field today, laid out the lines, fueled up the old
> kite (A battered but airworthy Senior Sky Bee II), and the engine (3.2 cc
> diesel) always turned clockwise (so it was a super weird pusher
> engine for the time being) instead of anti CW even though I flipped
> the prop in the ACW direction. And this happened 4 times, before we gave
up.

> Can anyone tell what the problem with the engine might be and how to go
> about correcting it?

> Thanks.
> PS: if you reply, can you please send a cc to this email id, coz the
> external newsfeed is shaky. thnx.
> --
> From:
> Rishi Tandon
> B.Tech Student
> Dept. of Aerospace Engg.
> IIT Bombay

****************************************************************************
***

- Show quoted text -

Quote:
> Someday we'll look back on this moment and plow into a parked car.
> -- Evan Davis

 
 
 

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Post by William Hubbar » Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:37:44


By the way (and, yes, I'm being picky here), it's COUNTER-clockwise, not
ANTI-clockwise.  ;-)
Quote:


> > Went to the flying field today, laid out the lines, fueled up the old
> > kite (A battered but airworthy Senior Sky Bee II), and the engine (3.2 cc
> > diesel) always turned clockwise (so it was a super weird pusher
> > engine for the time being) instead of anti CW even though I flipped
> > the prop in the ACW direction. And this happened 4 times, before we gave up.

> A whole 4 times? Your persistence is overwhelming. 4 times is nothing.
> Sometimes engines can start up backwards 12 or more times before
> running in the proper direction. Now, if it's taking you a long time
> to get the engine to start each time, you need to learn how to
> properly start a diesel. That's something I can't help you with,
> unfortunately.

> > Can anyone tell what the problem with the engine might be and how to go
> > about correcting it?

> There isn't necessarily a problem with your engine. It may be your
> starting technique. You can't just flip the engine in the direction
> it's supposed to run; you have to flip it THROUGH compression/ignition
> with enough force that it keeps running in that direction. Otherwise,
> the engine bounces off compression and starts running backwards. Some
> people use this to their advantage, using "reverse psychology" to make
> their engines run in the correct direction. They flip the engine
> clockwise, it bounces off compression and starts running
> anti-clockwise.

 
 
 

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Post by Chris Watkin » Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:17:27


Quote:

> By the way (and, yes, I'm being picky here), it's COUNTER-clockwise, not
> ANTI-clockwise.  ;-)

At least he didn't say widdershins :-)

Gesundheit?

--
Chris

 
 
 

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Post by Mathew Kirs » Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:17:49


Quote:

> By the way (and, yes, I'm being picky here), it's COUNTER-clockwise, not
> ANTI-clockwise.  ;-)

Give the man an F in International Studies...

COUNTER-clockwise is US English.
ANTI-clockwise is UK English.

They also use a lot of extra "u"s in their spelling, and call trucks, "lorries."

 
 
 

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Post by William Hubbar » Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:08:17


OK, well, I don't speak UK English.  Give me an F.  By the way, I happen to be fond of the letter
Z, myself...  ;-)
Quote:


> > By the way (and, yes, I'm being picky here), it's COUNTER-clockwise, not
> > ANTI-clockwise.  ;-)

> Give the man an F in International Studies...

> COUNTER-clockwise is US English.
> ANTI-clockwise is UK English.

> They also use a lot of extra "u"s in their spelling, and call trucks, "lorries."

 
 
 

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Post by Mike Slackener » Sat, 09 Nov 2002 11:19:21


Ok, got it working....

Apparently, we'd put too much ether in the fuel (pre-ignition??), and
flooded the engine while priming...
It starts ok now.

Matthew, we tried only 4 times coz we had classes after that... else I
could tell you stories of the 'night of the prop-flickers'... another time
maybe, + I already posted this on the the grp a few month ago.
Yes, we tried flicking it the other way, but its ***y painful for a
righthanded person to do so.

Dear Mr. Hubbard,
I knew someone would post THAT. :)
British English (the Queen's English if you may) is spoken in all the
commonwealth countries (ahem, speaking of which. shouldn't america be part
of the commonwealth?? ;)),i.e India, Australia, New Zealand, most of
Africa, Canada?? etc.
SO most of the english speaking world will go with 'ANTI-clockwise'.
They also follow Brithsh traffic laws (driving on the left-hand side, with
the steering wheel to the right) etc.,

Wonder why the americans changed everything the brits left them? :-D

Cheers mate,
Rishi
Btw, Cricket rules!

Quote:

> By the way (and, yes, I'm being picky here), it's COUNTER-clockwise, not
> ANTI-clockwise.  ;-)



> > > Went to the flying field today, laid out the lines, fueled up the old
> > > kite (A battered but airworthy Senior Sky Bee II), and the engine (3.2 cc
> > > diesel) always turned clockwise (so it was a super weird pusher
> > > engine for the time being) instead of anti CW even though I flipped
> > > the prop in the ACW direction. And this happened 4 times, before we gave up.

> > A whole 4 times? Your persistence is overwhelming. 4 times is nothing.
> > Sometimes engines can start up backwards 12 or more times before
> > running in the proper direction. Now, if it's taking you a long time
> > to get the engine to start each time, you need to learn how to
> > properly start a diesel. That's something I can't help you with,
> > unfortunately.

> > > Can anyone tell what the problem with the engine might be and how to go
> > > about correcting it?

> > There isn't necessarily a problem with your engine. It may be your
> > starting technique. You can't just flip the engine in the direction
> > it's supposed to run; you have to flip it THROUGH compression/ignition
> > with enough force that it keeps running in that direction. Otherwise,
> > the engine bounces off compression and starts running backwards. Some
> > people use this to their advantage, using "reverse psychology" to make
> > their engines run in the correct direction. They flip the engine
> > clockwise, it bounces off compression and starts running
> > anti-clockwise.

 
 
 

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Post by Herb Winsto » Sat, 09 Nov 2002 20:31:45


Mike,

What did the brits leave to the Americans? In fact, ***y little. You may
recall a little skirmish that began in 1776 where the brits attempted to
force-feed their form of "freedom" to us.

That might begin to explain why we don't care to do things the brit way.

--
Herb Winston  AMA 50438
Bonita Springs, FL

"He may look like an idiot,
 and he may sound like an idiot,
 but don't let him fool you.
 He really is an idiot."

 Mark Twain

Ok, got it working....

Apparently, we'd put too much ether in the fuel (pre-ignition??), and
flooded the engine while priming...
It starts ok now.

Matthew, we tried only 4 times coz we had classes after that... else I
could tell you stories of the 'night of the prop-flickers'... another time
maybe, + I already posted this on the the grp a few month ago.
Yes, we tried flicking it the other way, but its ***y painful for a
righthanded person to do so.

Dear Mr. Hubbard,
I knew someone would post THAT. :)
British English (the Queen's English if you may) is spoken in all the
commonwealth countries (ahem, speaking of which. shouldn't america be part
of the commonwealth?? ;)),i.e India, Australia, New Zealand, most of
Africa, Canada?? etc.
SO most of the english speaking world will go with 'ANTI-clockwise'.
They also follow Brithsh traffic laws (driving on the left-hand side, with
the steering wheel to the right) etc.,

Wonder why the americans changed everything the brits left them? :-D

Cheers mate,
Rishi
Btw, Cricket rules!


Quote:
> By the way (and, yes, I'm being picky here), it's COUNTER-clockwise, not
> ANTI-clockwise.  ;-)





Quote:
> > > Went to the flying field today, laid out the lines, fueled up the old
> > > kite (A battered but airworthy Senior Sky Bee II), and the engine (3.2
cc
> > > diesel) always turned clockwise (so it was a super weird pusher
> > > engine for the time being) instead of anti CW even though I flipped
> > > the prop in the ACW direction. And this happened 4 times, before we
gave up.

> > A whole 4 times? Your persistence is overwhelming. 4 times is nothing.
> > Sometimes engines can start up backwards 12 or more times before
> > running in the proper direction. Now, if it's taking you a long time
> > to get the engine to start each time, you need to learn how to
> > properly start a diesel. That's something I can't help you with,
> > unfortunately.

> > > Can anyone tell what the problem with the engine might be and how to
go
> > > about correcting it?

> > There isn't necessarily a problem with your engine. It may be your
> > starting technique. You can't just flip the engine in the direction
> > it's supposed to run; you have to flip it THROUGH compression/ignition
> > with enough force that it keeps running in that direction. Otherwise,
> > the engine bounces off compression and starts running backwards. Some
> > people use this to their advantage, using "reverse psychology" to make
> > their engines run in the correct direction. They flip the engine
> > clockwise, it bounces off compression and starts running
> > anti-clockwise.

 
 
 

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Post by The Natural Philosophe » Sat, 09 Nov 2002 21:04:06


Quote:

> Mike,

> What did the brits leave to the Americans? In fact, ***y little.

A language and a philosophy.

Quote:
> You may
> recall a little skirmish that began in 1776 where the brits attempted to
> force-feed their form of "freedom" to us.

 Ah, then it wasnt so much what was left, as what you were unable to steal then,

that causes the irritation?

:)

Quote:
> That might begin to explain why we don't care to do things the brit way.

Ah, but you do, just not very well :(
Quote:
> --
> Herb Winston  AMA 50438
> Bonita Springs, FL

> "He may look like an idiot,
>  and he may sound like an idiot,
>  but don't let him fool you.
>  He really is an idiot."

>  Mark Twain


> Ok, got it working....

> Apparently, we'd put too much ether in the fuel (pre-ignition??), and
> flooded the engine while priming...
> It starts ok now.

> Matthew, we tried only 4 times coz we had classes after that... else I
> could tell you stories of the 'night of the prop-flickers'... another time
> maybe, + I already posted this on the the grp a few month ago.
> Yes, we tried flicking it the other way, but its ***y painful for a
> righthanded person to do so.

> Dear Mr. Hubbard,
> I knew someone would post THAT. :)
> British English (the Queen's English if you may) is spoken in all the
> commonwealth countries (ahem, speaking of which. shouldn't america be part
> of the commonwealth?? ;)),i.e India, Australia, New Zealand, most of
> Africa, Canada?? etc.
> SO most of the english speaking world will go with 'ANTI-clockwise'.
> They also follow Brithsh traffic laws (driving on the left-hand side, with
> the steering wheel to the right) etc.,

> Wonder why the americans changed everything the brits left them? :-D

> Cheers mate,
> Rishi
> Btw, Cricket rules!



>>By the way (and, yes, I'm being picky here), it's COUNTER-clockwise, not
>>ANTI-clockwise.  ;-)




>>>>Went to the flying field today, laid out the lines, fueled up the old
>>>>kite (A battered but airworthy Senior Sky Bee II), and the engine (3.2

> cc

>>>>diesel) always turned clockwise (so it was a super weird pusher
>>>>engine for the time being) instead of anti CW even though I flipped
>>>>the prop in the ACW direction. And this happened 4 times, before we

> gave up.

>>>A whole 4 times? Your persistence is overwhelming. 4 times is nothing.
>>>Sometimes engines can start up backwards 12 or more times before
>>>running in the proper direction. Now, if it's taking you a long time
>>>to get the engine to start each time, you need to learn how to
>>>properly start a diesel. That's something I can't help you with,
>>>unfortunately.

>>>>Can anyone tell what the problem with the engine might be and how to

> go

>>>>about correcting it?

>>>There isn't necessarily a problem with your engine. It may be your
>>>starting technique. You can't just flip the engine in the direction
>>>it's supposed to run; you have to flip it THROUGH compression/ignition
>>>with enough force that it keeps running in that direction. Otherwise,
>>>the engine bounces off compression and starts running backwards. Some
>>>people use this to their advantage, using "reverse psychology" to make
>>>their engines run in the correct direction. They flip the engine
>>>clockwise, it bounces off compression and starts running
>>>anti-clockwise.

 
 
 

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Post by Herb Winsto » Sat, 09 Nov 2002 21:17:29


--
Herb Winston  AMA 50438
Bonita Springs, FL

"He may look like an idiot,
 and he may sound like an idiot,
 but don't let him fool you.
 He really is an idiot."

 Mark Twain


Quote:

> Mike,

> What did the brits leave to the Americans? In fact, ***y little.

A language and a philosophy.
< And that is surely ***y little>

Quote:
> You may
> recall a little skirmish that began in 1776 where the brits attempted to
> force-feed their form of "freedom" to us.

 Ah, then it wasnt so much what was left, as what you were unable to steal
then,

that causes the irritation?
<Pray tell, it seems that you have it arse backwards, since "Good" King
George was doing all he could do to squeeze every last shilling out of those
"thieving" colonials. Tax, taxes, taxation ad nauseum>
:)

Quote:
> That might begin to explain why we don't care to do things the brit way.

Ah, but you do, just not very well :(
Quote:
> --
> Herb Winston  AMA 50438
> Bonita Springs, FL

> "He may look like an idiot,
>  and he may sound like an idiot,
>  but don't let him fool you.
>  He really is an idiot."

>  Mark Twain


> Ok, got it working....

> Apparently, we'd put too much ether in the fuel (pre-ignition??), and
> flooded the engine while priming...
> It starts ok now.

> Matthew, we tried only 4 times coz we had classes after that... else I
> could tell you stories of the 'night of the prop-flickers'... another time
> maybe, + I already posted this on the the grp a few month ago.
> Yes, we tried flicking it the other way, but its ***y painful for a
> righthanded person to do so.

> Dear Mr. Hubbard,
> I knew someone would post THAT. :)
> British English (the Queen's English if you may) is spoken in all the
> commonwealth countries (ahem, speaking of which. shouldn't america be part
> of the commonwealth?? ;)),i.e India, Australia, New Zealand, most of
> Africa, Canada?? etc.
> SO most of the english speaking world will go with 'ANTI-clockwise'.
> They also follow Brithsh traffic laws (driving on the left-hand side, with
> the steering wheel to the right) etc.,

> Wonder why the americans changed everything the brits left them? :-D

> Cheers mate,
> Rishi
> Btw, Cricket rules!



>>By the way (and, yes, I'm being picky here), it's COUNTER-clockwise, not
>>ANTI-clockwise.  ;-)




>>>>Went to the flying field today, laid out the lines, fueled up the old
>>>>kite (A battered but airworthy Senior Sky Bee II), and the engine (3.2

> cc

>>>>diesel) always turned clockwise (so it was a super weird pusher
>>>>engine for the time being) instead of anti CW even though I flipped
>>>>the prop in the ACW direction. And this happened 4 times, before we

> gave up.

>>>A whole 4 times? Your persistence is overwhelming. 4 times is nothing.
>>>Sometimes engines can start up backwards 12 or more times before
>>>running in the proper direction. Now, if it's taking you a long time
>>>to get the engine to start each time, you need to learn how to
>>>properly start a diesel. That's something I can't help you with,
>>>unfortunately.

>>>>Can anyone tell what the problem with the engine might be and how to

> go

>>>>about correcting it?

>>>There isn't necessarily a problem with your engine. It may be your
>>>starting technique. You can't just flip the engine in the direction
>>>it's supposed to run; you have to flip it THROUGH compression/ignition
>>>with enough force that it keeps running in that direction. Otherwise,
>>>the engine bounces off compression and starts running backwards. Some
>>>people use this to their advantage, using "reverse psychology" to make
>>>their engines run in the correct direction. They flip the engine
>>>clockwise, it bounces off compression and starts running
>>>anti-clockwise.

 
 
 

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Post by Mike Slaughte » Sat, 09 Nov 2002 22:50:47


The biggest legacy left by the British empire is the chaos, war and enmity
remaining after it collapsed.  The last half of the 20th century was full of
wars in which cultures tried to realign the arbitrary boundaries left over
from British rule.  Africa, northern Ireland, Sri Lanka are only a few.
British inventions such as concentration camps and apartheid have enriched
this half century of warfare.  Their statesmanship and world leadership
(concepts such as appea***t and peace in our time) led to two world wars
in that century alone (although not without French help).  We became a world
power very reluctantly after ww2 to fill the vacuum left by the British
bankruptcy and the USSR's belligerent militancy.  The middle east mess was
caused by British nation building as they played one Arab state against the
other to secure oil; and add to that the Palestine mandate that led to the
establishment of Israel and the British/French invasion of Egypt to secure
the Suez canal.  All of this was left to smolder when colonial power and
subjugation of native peoples were stopped.
It is a messed up world, but one not of our making,we just have to hold the
fort.
British philosophy is Greek idealism corrupted by imperialism.
IIRC, the highly touted Magna Carta empowered only the nobility, not the
common man.  Marxism is the complete, unchecked empowerment of the mobs.
The US model is a mix, one designed to be fair and succeeding most of the
time.  It was also designed to correct the british legacy that left
colonials few rights.
Mike


Quote:


> > Mike,

> > What did the brits leave to the Americans? In fact, ***y little.

> A language and a philosophy.

> > You may
> > recall a little skirmish that began in 1776 where the brits attempted to
> > force-feed their form of "freedom" to us.

>  Ah, then it wasnt so much what was left, as what you were unable to steal
then,

> that causes the irritation?

> :)

> > That might begin to explain why we don't care to do things the brit way.

> Ah, but you do, just not very well :(

> > --
> > Herb Winston  AMA 50438
> > Bonita Springs, FL

> > "He may look like an idiot,
> >  and he may sound like an idiot,
> >  but don't let him fool you.
> >  He really is an idiot."

> >  Mark Twain


> > Ok, got it working....

> > Apparently, we'd put too much ether in the fuel (pre-ignition??), and
> > flooded the engine while priming...
> > It starts ok now.

> > Matthew, we tried only 4 times coz we had classes after that... else I
> > could tell you stories of the 'night of the prop-flickers'... another
time
> > maybe, + I already posted this on the the grp a few month ago.
> > Yes, we tried flicking it the other way, but its ***y painful for a
> > righthanded person to do so.

> > Dear Mr. Hubbard,
> > I knew someone would post THAT. :)
> > British English (the Queen's English if you may) is spoken in all the
> > commonwealth countries (ahem, speaking of which. shouldn't america be
part
> > of the commonwealth?? ;)),i.e India, Australia, New Zealand, most of
> > Africa, Canada?? etc.
> > SO most of the english speaking world will go with 'ANTI-clockwise'.
> > They also follow Brithsh traffic laws (driving on the left-hand side,
with
> > the steering wheel to the right) etc.,

> > Wonder why the americans changed everything the brits left them? :-D

> > Cheers mate,
> > Rishi
> > Btw, Cricket rules!



> >>By the way (and, yes, I'm being picky here), it's COUNTER-clockwise, not
> >>ANTI-clockwise.  ;-)





- Show quoted text -

Quote:

> >>>>Went to the flying field today, laid out the lines, fueled up the old
> >>>>kite (A battered but airworthy Senior Sky Bee II), and the engine (3.2

> > cc

> >>>>diesel) always turned clockwise (so it was a super weird pusher
> >>>>engine for the time being) instead of anti CW even though I flipped
> >>>>the prop in the ACW direction. And this happened 4 times, before we

> > gave up.

> >>>A whole 4 times? Your persistence is overwhelming. 4 times is nothing.
> >>>Sometimes engines can start up backwards 12 or more times before
> >>>running in the proper direction. Now, if it's taking you a long time
> >>>to get the engine to start each time, you need to learn how to
> >>>properly start a diesel. That's something I can't help you with,
> >>>unfortunately.

> >>>>Can anyone tell what the problem with the engine might be and how to

> > go

> >>>>about correcting it?

> >>>There isn't necessarily a problem with your engine. It may be your
> >>>starting technique. You can't just flip the engine in the direction
> >>>it's supposed to run; you have to flip it THROUGH compression/ignition
> >>>with enough force that it keeps running in that direction. Otherwise,
> >>>the engine bounces off compression and starts running backwards. Some
> >>>people use this to their advantage, using "reverse psychology" to make
> >>>their engines run in the correct direction. They flip the engine
> >>>clockwise, it bounces off compression and starts running
> >>>anti-clockwise.

 
 
 

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Post by The Natural Philosophe » Sun, 10 Nov 2002 05:42:06


Quote:

> Marxism is the complete, unchecked empowerment of the mobs.

Whereas US Imperialism and domestic policy is unchecked empowerment of
the Mob.

Can't see the difference really.

 
 
 

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Post by George Dain » Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:51:55


On Fri, 08 Nov 2002 12:17:29 GMT, "Herb  Winston"

Quote:

><Pray tell, it seems that you have it arse backwards, since "Good" King
>George was doing all he could do to squeeze every last shilling out of those
>"thieving" colonials. Tax, taxes, taxation ad nauseum>

Interestingly enough, the "hated Stamp Tax" that kicked the whole
thing off was 3%.  Kind of interesting that we've let our own
government run it 10 - 20 times higher.

George