Power to sheds, getting organised etc

Power to sheds, getting organised etc

Post by mogg » Mon, 17 Nov 2003 04:48:13



OK, I have a second lathe currently sat out side, my chisels should be
coming in the post this week and I am getting a 6x8 ft shed with nice big
window put up in the garden on Tuesday.and I just liberated some fallen
silver birch from the local woods today.

Obviously I am going to need some power to the shed, in the short term I can
run an extension lead out, but in the longer term, I need to sort out
lighing and a permanent connection. The shed is about 30ft from the house
with a veggie patch inbetween. As the area is often dug, just burying a
cable will  not suffice. There is a fence that I could run it along, though
I don't know how tolerant electric cable is to weather, perhaps I should
encase it in something.

I know I need a bench to put the grinder on and other stuff as I get it.
Anyone got any hints for keeping tools organised? Knowing me whatever I am
looking for I will never be able to find.

Kat
York, UK

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Power to sheds, getting organised etc

Post by Richard Staple » Mon, 17 Nov 2003 05:22:09


Kat on the Laymar-Crafts Web Site their is a whole host of useful Storage
Hints N Tips for practically everything in your Workshop.

http://www.laymar-crafts.co.uk

RVS


Quote:
> OK, I have a second lathe currently sat out side, my chisels should be
> coming in the post this week and I am getting a 6x8 ft shed with nice big
> window put up in the garden on Tuesday.and I just liberated some fallen
> silver birch from the local woods today.

> Obviously I am going to need some power to the shed, in the short term I
can
> run an extension lead out, but in the longer term, I need to sort out
> lighing and a permanent connection. The shed is about 30ft from the house
> with a veggie patch inbetween. As the area is often dug, just burying a
> cable will  not suffice. There is a fence that I could run it along,
though
> I don't know how tolerant electric cable is to weather, perhaps I should
> encase it in something.

> I know I need a bench to put the grinder on and other stuff as I get it.
> Anyone got any hints for keeping tools organised? Knowing me whatever I am
> looking for I will never be able to find.

> Kat
> York, UK

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Power to sheds, getting organised etc

Post by Bruce Whit » Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:57:42


This is not a tough problem.  Email me how many amps you are going to draw
and how far you are from the main panel and I'll tell you what you need to
know.  You will probably want to put in a sub-panel in the shed, even if you
only want 1 or 2 circuits.

Bruce


Quote:
> OK, I have a second lathe currently sat out side, my chisels should be
> coming in the post this week and I am getting a 6x8 ft shed with nice big
> window put up in the garden on Tuesday.and I just liberated some fallen
> silver birch from the local woods today.

> Obviously I am going to need some power to the shed, in the short term I
can
> run an extension lead out, but in the longer term, I need to sort out
> lighing and a permanent connection. The shed is about 30ft from the house
> with a veggie patch inbetween. As the area is often dug, just burying a
> cable will  not suffice. There is a fence that I could run it along,
though
> I don't know how tolerant electric cable is to weather, perhaps I should
> encase it in something.

> I know I need a bench to put the grinder on and other stuff as I get it.
> Anyone got any hints for keeping tools organised? Knowing me whatever I am
> looking for I will never be able to find.

> Kat
> York, UK

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Power to sheds, getting organised etc

Post by mogg » Tue, 18 Nov 2003 04:59:30


How do I work out what amps I am going to draw? At the moment I think that I
will be running one or two lights together with the lathe or the grinder at
one time.
By Panel, do you mean fuse box? If so, then the the fuse box is at the
opposite side of the house, any wire from there would have to be run accross
a hallway (concrete floor) and skirt the kitchen. Not impossible I guess .

thanks

Kat

Quote:
> This is not a tough problem.  Email me how many amps you are going to draw
> and how far you are from the main panel and I'll tell you what you need to
> know.  You will probably want to put in a sub-panel in the shed, even if
you
> only want 1 or 2 circuits.

> Bruce



> > OK, I have a second lathe currently sat out side, my chisels should be
> > coming in the post this week and I am getting a 6x8 ft shed with nice
big
> > window put up in the garden on Tuesday.and I just liberated some fallen
> > silver birch from the local woods today.

> > Obviously I am going to need some power to the shed, in the short term I
> can
> > run an extension lead out, but in the longer term, I need to sort out
> > lighing and a permanent connection. The shed is about 30ft from the
house
> > with a veggie patch inbetween. As the area is often dug, just burying a
> > cable will  not suffice. There is a fence that I could run it along,
> though
> > I don't know how tolerant electric cable is to weather, perhaps I should
> > encase it in something.

> > I know I need a bench to put the grinder on and other stuff as I get it.
> > Anyone got any hints for keeping tools organised? Knowing me whatever I
am
> > looking for I will never be able to find.

> > Kat
> > York, UK

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Post by David S Lawso » Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:41:50


In message

Quote:
>How do I work out what amps I am going to draw? At the moment I think that I
>will be running one or two lights together with the lathe or the grinder at
>one time.
>By Panel, do you mean fuse box? If so, then the the fuse box is at the
>opposite side of the house, any wire from there would have to be run accross
>a hallway (concrete floor) and skirt the kitchen. Not impossible I guess .

>thanks

Hi moggy
I can give you some advice based on UK regulationss and systems which
should be more relevant.
If you are running an extension lead over 30 feet get one designed for
that length, don't make one from domestic cable, you will get some
voltage loss although not much. Assuming your house supply is a ring
main you can draw 13 amps, that is the fuse rating, or about 3 kw at
230v. You will need a heavy duty flexible cable rated at 15 amps at
least if not 20.

All your machinery should have a label showing the power it requires in kw.

You must run your cable through an RCB, residual circuit breaker at the
house end or better still an RCD, it works the same but can also be
used to switch the system on and  off. The D stands for device to
indicate it is a switch. If there is any current leakage it will cut
off, essential where damp can be a problem.

If you install a permanent cable, the best way is to use armoured cable
buried under the ground, I don't know the required depth but the IEEE
regulations are available from your local library. Alternatively get a
contractor to install it. Either way it should be checked for safety by
your electricity supplier.

This advice is based on a lifetime of fiddling and a minimal of
electrical training but I am not qualified above that so take it at your
own risk. There, that the legal getout, good luck.
Dave Lawson
Redditch UK

 
 
 

Power to sheds, getting organised etc

Post by David S Lawso » Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:06:22


In message

Quote:
>How do I work out what amps I am going to draw? At the moment I think that I
>will be running one or two lights together with the lathe or the grinder at
>one time.
>By Panel, do you mean fuse box? If so, then the the fuse box is at the
>opposite side of the house, any wire from there would have to be run accross
>a hallway (concrete floor) and skirt the kitchen. Not impossible I guess .

>thanks

Before I get inundated with messages. please allow me to correct the
following paragraph.

Quote:
>You must run your cable through an RCB, residual circuit breaker at the

house end or better still an RCD, it works the same but can also be
used to switch the system on and  off. The D stands for device to
indicate it is a switch. If there is any current leakage it will cut
off, essential where damp can be a problem.<

Correct version
You must run your cable through an RCD, residual circuit device at the
house end or better still an RCB, it works the same but can also be used
to switch the system on and  off. The B stands for breaker to indicate
it is a switch. If there is any current leakage it will cut off,
essential where damp can be a problem.

Thats another of the few remaining brain cells gone!!!

Dave Lawson
Redditch UK