Bulk Storage vs Bottling

Bulk Storage vs Bottling

Post by Jim Sinclai » Sat, 20 Sep 2003 00:41:05



Is there any advantage to bulk storing,  in a cool ba***t,  a wine made
from a kit versus bottling it now and storing the bottles in a cool place?
I have the kits now finished and in 19 litre carboys with airlocks.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Sinc.

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Bulk Storage vs Bottling

Post by Negod » Sat, 20 Sep 2003 07:19:30


Quote:

> Is there any advantage to bulk storing,  in a cool ba***t,  a wine made
> from a kit versus bottling it now and storing the bottles in a cool place?

For reasons which aren't clear to me, wine ages much more rapidly in
bulk storage than it does in bottles. I've heard that 1 year in bulk
storage is equivalent to 4 years in bottled.

Whether or not a kit wine would benefit from bulk storage would depend
on whether or not it would benefit from aging.

Many kit wines claim to be ready-to-drink after 28 days, or 3-months,
or even 6-months. If this claim is true, I doubt they would benefit
from bulk aging. It might even hasten their decline.

 
 
 

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Post by Edwin Pawlowsk » Sat, 20 Sep 2003 08:42:15


Quote:

> Many kit wines claim to be ready-to-drink after 28 days, or 3-months,
> or even 6-months. If this claim is true, I doubt they would benefit
> from bulk aging. It might even hasten their decline.

My experience is that they all benefit for at least a few month aging.  I've
tried wine after 28 days.  It may meet the dictionary definition of wine,
but it is not something you'd want to serve to company at dinner.
Ed

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Bulk Storage vs Bottling

Post by Woodsw » Sat, 20 Sep 2003 10:03:28


Quote:

>Is there any advantage to bulk storing,  in a cool ba***t,  a wine made
>from a kit versus bottling it now and storing the bottles in a cool place?
>I have the kits now finished and in 19 litre carboys with airlocks.
>Thanks in advance for any help.

I've noticed a significant difference between the quality of kit wines that
I've bulk aged prior to bottling versus bottling when directed.  

Woods

 
 
 

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Post by bhe.. » Sat, 20 Sep 2003 22:57:35


That's better quality I guess?
Bill
Quote:
>I've noticed a significant difference between the quality of kit wines that
>I've bulk aged prior to bottling versus bottling when directed.  

>Woods

 
 
 

Bulk Storage vs Bottling

Post by Charle » Sat, 20 Sep 2003 23:28:59


Quote:

> Is there any advantage to bulk storing,  in a cool ba***t,  a wine made
> from a kit versus bottling it now and storing the bottles in a cool place?
> I have the kits now finished and in 19 litre carboys with airlocks.
> Thanks in advance for any help.
> Sinc.

It seems to me that bulk aging will make your wine more consistent, and
a bulk of wine (23L) is less likely to be affected by temperature
variations than a bottle (.75L) and it takes up less room.

Bulk aging can also reduce the need for vigorous degassing and finings,
depending on the wine of course.

There's no harm in bulk aging that I can think of off hand...

--
charles

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forced to live on nothing but food and water for days."
- W.C. Fields

 
 
 

Bulk Storage vs Bottling

Post by Lua » Sun, 21 Sep 2003 01:43:39


I believe that bulk aging in a carboy with an air lock allows for any
gases that are produced, or are in the wine, to escape. I'm not sure
what else happens during bulk aging that wouldn't happen in the
bottle. I recall reading that wine bottled in small bottles will age
more quickly than wine bottled in large bottles.... 375 ml ages faster
than 750 ml and 1.5 l ages the slowest. I have found in general, that
wines that I have left in the carboy for a while have tasted better
shortly after bottling, but I haven't compared say two wine kits
started at the same time, one bottled on schedule and the other bulk
aged for 6 months before bottling, and then tasted at the same time,
say at 7 or 8 months. This would be an interesting comparison. I would
have the impression that the wine that was bottled a few months ago
was older, even though they were fermented at the same time.
 
 
 

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Post by Ray » Sun, 21 Sep 2003 07:41:24


I will pass this own but I have not experimented to determine if it is true.
I was on a wine tour in California with my daughter-in-law who had a
membership that got us into the better tasting rooms down in the cellar
rather than the upstairs where the tourists were.  (It is nice to have
connections.)  Anyway, the host was talking about how wine ages better in
larger containers.  He let us taste the same wine bottled 1 year earlier in
350, 750 and 1.5 L bottles.  Definitely the 1.5 was better.  Extrapolating
that, wine should age better in carboys than in bottles.  I am not talking
uniformity, I am talking better.

Now that may apply to wines that improve with aging.  I have also made
Spagnol's Cellar Craft Gewrztraminer and found that I liked it better at 2
months than after 8 months bulk aging.  At two months it had a nice
fruitiness that I loved.  It was more mellow at 8 months but I liked it
better younger.

Just putting my oar in.  Hope I haven't miss directed the boat.

Ray


Quote:
> I believe that bulk aging in a carboy with an air lock allows for any
> gases that are produced, or are in the wine, to escape. I'm not sure
> what else happens during bulk aging that wouldn't happen in the
> bottle. I recall reading that wine bottled in small bottles will age
> more quickly than wine bottled in large bottles.... 375 ml ages faster
> than 750 ml and 1.5 l ages the slowest. I have found in general, that
> wines that I have left in the carboy for a while have tasted better
> shortly after bottling, but I haven't compared say two wine kits
> started at the same time, one bottled on schedule and the other bulk
> aged for 6 months before bottling, and then tasted at the same time,
> say at 7 or 8 months. This would be an interesting comparison. I would
> have the impression that the wine that was bottled a few months ago
> was older, even though they were fermented at the same time.

 
 
 

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Post by Woodsw » Sun, 21 Sep 2003 08:38:24


Quote:

>That's better quality I guess?
>Bill

I guess!  :-D

(Good catch!)

Woods