Re-Visit: Portugese Vs. Italian Floor Corker

Re-Visit: Portugese Vs. Italian Floor Corker

Post by Jon Foste » Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:16:52



I know this subject just ran through but I'm still not sure which corker I
want to buy. The Italian or the Portuguese. I see the Italian corker comes
with a bottle cap capper attachment but it's recommended that you do not use
the attachment unless you are doing odd bottling jobs (small runs only).
There is a fair difference in price between the two but I would rather buy
the better of the two now, not later. The Italian has the brass iris and
seems to be the better material but how much wear does the iris really get?
Then, the Portuguese model is a little smaller so it should be easier to
store, right? And how about the length of the plunger arm? The Italian is
longer so it should be easier to use but is the difference really that
much???

Thanks for re-visiting this for me!

Jon.

PS. Here's the link to a neat video on both being used (thanks Dave A.)
http://www.stpats.com/quicktimeMovies/MOV00479.MPG

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Re-Visit: Portugese Vs. Italian Floor Corker

Post by Ross Rei » Wed, 26 Feb 2003 02:04:17


Quote:

>I know this subject just ran through but I'm still not sure which corker I
>want to buy. The Italian or the Portuguese. I see the Italian corker comes
>with a bottle cap capper attachment but it's recommended that you do not use
>the attachment unless you are doing odd bottling jobs (small runs only).
>There is a fair difference in price between the two but I would rather buy
>the better of the two now, not later. The Italian has the brass iris and
>seems to be the better material but how much wear does the iris really get?
>Then, the Portuguese model is a little smaller so it should be easier to
>store, right? And how about the length of the plunger arm? The Italian is
>longer so it should be easier to use but is the difference really that
>much???

>Thanks for re-visiting this for me!

>Jon.

Jon,
I've had two of the smaller, plastic iris type over a period of about
15 years. They both ended up with the same problem i.e., irises would
stick in the closed position after inserting the cork. You'd have to
bang on the top of the housing to get it to open up. Also, I found
inserting corks dry with this type very difficult (actually, my wife
found it pretty well impossible and corking was her job).
About two years ago I purchased the larger, brass iris type corker and
I have to say the plastic iris type aren't even in the same league.
Inserting corks dry is a cinch, I don't know if it is a result of less
friction between the brass and the cork, more leverage with the longer
handle or, a combination of both but, even my wife finds it easy.
Neither I nor my wife would ever go back to the smaller unit again.
Bigger is better (g), well worth the small extra cost.
That's just our experience, others may disagree.

Ross.
Ross
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Re-Visit: Portugese Vs. Italian Floor Corker

Post by Jon Foste » Wed, 26 Feb 2003 02:23:27


Ross, that's exactly the type of detail I was looking for. Your experience
with the units can't be guessed by someone like myself if we have never used
the products... You may have had different findings than another person but
the context of your details tells me a great deal of information. Plus it
sounds like your used of the corker will be very similar to mine (my wife
can help!).

Thanks, Jon.


Quote:

> >I know this subject just ran through but I'm still not sure which corker
I
> >want to buy. The Italian or the Portuguese. I see the Italian corker
comes
> >with a bottle cap capper attachment but it's recommended that you do not
use
> >the attachment unless you are doing odd bottling jobs (small runs only).
> >There is a fair difference in price between the two but I would rather
buy
> >the better of the two now, not later. The Italian has the brass iris and
> >seems to be the better material but how much wear does the iris really
get?
> >Then, the Portuguese model is a little smaller so it should be easier to
> >store, right? And how about the length of the plunger arm? The Italian is
> >longer so it should be easier to use but is the difference really that
> >much???

> >Thanks for re-visiting this for me!

> >Jon.

> Jon,
> I've had two of the smaller, plastic iris type over a period of about
> 15 years. They both ended up with the same problem i.e., irises would
> stick in the closed position after inserting the cork. You'd have to
> bang on the top of the housing to get it to open up. Also, I found
> inserting corks dry with this type very difficult (actually, my wife
> found it pretty well impossible and corking was her job).
> About two years ago I purchased the larger, brass iris type corker and
> I have to say the plastic iris type aren't even in the same league.
> Inserting corks dry is a cinch, I don't know if it is a result of less
> friction between the brass and the cork, more leverage with the longer
> handle or, a combination of both but, even my wife finds it easy.
> Neither I nor my wife would ever go back to the smaller unit again.
> Bigger is better (g), well worth the small extra cost.
> That's just our experience, others may disagree.

> Ross.
> Ross
> Eliminate obvious to email.

 
 
 

Re-Visit: Portugese Vs. Italian Floor Corker

Post by Braaivle » Wed, 26 Feb 2003 04:19:30


What I don't get is why these are so expensive in the USA?  At the
Spagnols Sale at their Delta store now through March 2nd everything is
35% off.  The Red Italian Brass jaw floor corker was $33.52 Canadian
or around US$20.  Even the regular price is around US$30.  Well worth
the 2 hour drive from Seattle area if you are going to load up on
supplies. 900 shrink closures ran me CND$5 (all you can fit in a brown
paper bag).  Wine kits are also a 1/3 less than the US all year long.
USDA inspected me smiled and I went through the border without paying
a cent and I declared "EVERYTHING".  I bought my Italian model used a
year ago and am happy with it, although I'm a real newbie.  I just
know it works and will do crazy things like fit a #9 cork in a
Champagne bottle with ease, although I'm sure than is not recommended.
~Konrad
 
 
 

Re-Visit: Portugese Vs. Italian Floor Corker

Post by Braaivle » Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:16:04


Correction I meant to say 25% off not 35% off.
Quote:

> What I don't get is why these are so expensive in the USA?  At the
> Spagnols Sale at their Delta store now through March 2nd everything is
> 35% off.  The Red Italian Brass jaw floor corker was $33.52 Canadian
> or around US$20.  Even the regular price is around US$30.  Well worth
> the 2 hour drive from Seattle area if you are going to load up on
> supplies. 900 shrink closures ran me CND$5 (all you can fit in a brown
> paper bag).  Wine kits are also a 1/3 less than the US all year long.
> USDA inspected me smiled and I went through the border without paying
> a cent and I declared "EVERYTHING".  I bought my Italian model used a
> year ago and am happy with it, although I'm a real newbie.  I just
> know it works and will do crazy things like fit a #9 cork in a
> Champagne bottle with ease, although I'm sure than is not recommended.
> ~Konrad

 
 
 

Re-Visit: Portugese Vs. Italian Floor Corker

Post by Tom Eiler » Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:46:59


 I'm still not sure which corker I

Quote:
> >want to buy. The Italian or the Portuguese

I recently purchased the Italian Corker, ($75.00 including shipping) and I
am thrilled with it.  The handle is longer than my other corker, giving an
advantage with leverage, and as the years creep up that seems more important
than it once was.  It will insert #9 natural corks as well as synthetics
with ease.  Probably will not go back to using any other corker.  Just my
.02 worth and overpriced at that.  Good luck, Tom
 
 
 

Re-Visit: Portugese Vs. Italian Floor Corker

Post by Jon Foste » Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:33:14


I went ahead and ordered the Italian corker this afternoon with 300 corks
from www.stpats.com They are the cheapest price I could find and the young
girl I talked to was extremely pleasant. Even with shipping ($16) the total
price was way under anything the local shops have. The closest shop around
here charges $103.00 for the same corker!

Thanks, Jon.

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Quote:
> I know this subject just ran through but I'm still not sure which corker I
> want to buy. The Italian or the Portuguese. I see the Italian corker comes
> with a bottle cap capper attachment but it's recommended that you do not
use
> the attachment unless you are doing odd bottling jobs (small runs only).
> There is a fair difference in price between the two but I would rather buy
> the better of the two now, not later. The Italian has the brass iris and
> seems to be the better material but how much wear does the iris really
get?
> Then, the Portuguese model is a little smaller so it should be easier to
> store, right? And how about the length of the plunger arm? The Italian is
> longer so it should be easier to use but is the difference really that
> much???

> Thanks for re-visiting this for me!

> Jon.

> PS. Here's the link to a neat video on both being used (thanks Dave A.)
> http://www.stpats.com/quicktimeMovies/MOV00479.MPG

> --

>      Come visit us on the web!
> http://www.largescale-trains.com
>     Home of the JJ&C Railroad

 
 
 

Re-Visit: Portugese Vs. Italian Floor Corker

Post by SkyKin » Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:08:20


   Konrad...I live only 15 miles from the Spagnols Warehouse Store in Delta,
and went TWICE last week to the  "25% off everything on the floor sale" but
the red floor corker I saw on sale for $ 33.52 was the cheaper Portuguese
Floor Corker with the plastic/fibreglass jaws....and NOT the Italian brass
model....mind you at $ 33.00 it was a great buy....!!1 I have been using the
identical model now for about 10 months and it works great even with the
long # 9 corks....

Quote:
> What I don't get is why these are so expensive in the USA?  At the
> Spagnols Sale at their Delta store now through March 2nd everything is
> 35% off.  The Red Italian Brass jaw floor corker was $33.52 Canadian
> or around US$20.  Even the regular price is around US$30.  Well worth
> the 2 hour drive from Seattle area if you are going to load up on
> supplies. 900 shrink closures ran me CND$5 (all you can fit in a brown
> paper bag).  Wine kits are also a 1/3 less than the US all year long.
> USDA inspected me smiled and I went through the border without paying
> a cent and I declared "EVERYTHING".  I bought my Italian model used a
> year ago and am happy with it, although I'm a real newbie.  I just
> know it works and will do crazy things like fit a #9 cork in a
> Champagne bottle with ease, although I'm sure than is not recommended.
> ~Konrad

 
 
 

Re-Visit: Portugese Vs. Italian Floor Corker

Post by Zapho » Fri, 28 Feb 2003 23:27:49



Quote:
> I know this subject just ran through but I'm still not sure which corker I
> want to buy. The Italian or the Portuguese. I see the Italian corker comes
> with a bottle cap capper attachment but it's recommended that you do not
use
> the attachment unless you are doing odd bottling jobs (small runs only).
> There is a fair difference in price between the two but I would rather buy
> the better of the two now, not later. The Italian has the brass iris and
> seems to be the better material but how much wear does the iris really
get?
> Then, the Portuguese model is a little smaller so it should be easier to
> store, right? And how about the length of the plunger arm? The Italian is
> longer so it should be easier to use but is the difference really that
> much???

I have used the same Portuguese model for more than 10 years, corking 6-8
batches a year. Mine works like a charm. The jaws have never stuck, and the
corks slide in easily (my 4 year old daughter can do it). I'm sure a longer
lever would make it even easier, but is it worth the cost?
 
 
 

Re-Visit: Portugese Vs. Italian Floor Corker

Post by Don » Sat, 01 Mar 2003 01:31:36


Quote:

>I'm sure a longer
>lever would make it even easier, but is it worth the cost?

I can't think it would be that hard to add something to
the lever to decrease the required force - a torque bar
ala a wheel wrench sort of thing would do it.

Don

 
 
 

Re-Visit: Portugese Vs. Italian Floor Corker

Post by Kevi » Sat, 01 Mar 2003 05:09:02


Would anyone know where I could purchase the springs for the
Portuguese model with the nylon/plastic iris jaws? Or maybe someone
has a broken corker that is only good for parts and would let me buy
the springs. I have searched the U.S. and Canada to no avail. Thank
you.
 
 
 

Re-Visit: Portugese Vs. Italian Floor Corker

Post by Jon Foste » Sat, 01 Mar 2003 06:09:04


Kevin, another message had info on getting replacement parts for the corkers
a  few weeks back. Do a google search (on the group) on replacement parts
and you should find your answer. Sorry I don't remember which thread the
info was in...

Jon.


Quote:
> Would anyone know where I could purchase the springs for the
> Portuguese model with the nylon/plastic iris jaws? Or maybe someone
> has a broken corker that is only good for parts and would let me buy
> the springs. I have searched the U.S. and Canada to no avail. Thank
> you.