"You can't put Old Wine in New Bottles "

"You can't put Old Wine in New Bottles "

Post by repl » Sun, 19 Sep 2004 11:30:18



Greetings,

          I get the point of the saying. I also appreciate the idea of
laying down bottles and how the disturbance of re-bottling would be
harmful. But when I heard it today it made me (now a newbie vintner)
stop and wonder how this ever got to be a truism.  Most such
folk-sayings have a "truth" somewhere associated with them.
Does anyone care to  comment on this ?

             Have a Great Weekend,

                                     Andrew

 
 
 

"You can't put Old Wine in New Bottles "

Post by zxcvbo » Sun, 19 Sep 2004 11:39:54


Quote:

> Greetings,

>           I get the point of the saying. I also appreciate the idea of
> laying down bottles and how the disturbance of re-bottling would be
> harmful. But when I heard it today it made me (now a newbie vintner)
> stop and wonder how this ever got to be a truism.  Most such
> folk-sayings have a "truth" somewhere associated with them.
> Does anyone care to  comment on this ?

>              Have a Great Weekend,

>                                      Andrew

It sounds like a misquote of Jesus; he said you can't put new wine in
old wineskins (because they would burst).

Bob

 
 
 

"You can't put Old Wine in New Bottles "

Post by Rick Vanderwa » Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:53:58


Yes, it was a quote of Jesus, although a misquote.

It can be found in Matthew 9:17 (the first book of the New Testament)

When the religious authorities were trying to criticize Jesus and his
disciples, as well as Jesus' teachings, saying they went against the old
testament laws and traditions, Jesus was saying that what he was offering
was fresh and new, and just didn't fit their old ways of thinking which had
lost God's intended focus.
Old wineskins were brittle, inflexible.  New wine was fermenting, giving off
gas.  You needed newer flexible wineskins to expand and stretch as the young
wine still gave of CO2, or else, new wine in old wineskins would burst the
dry skins, losing everything.  So too, God's purpose in Jesus needed open,
hungry and humble hearts to be received, instead of inflexible, immoveable
traditions and attitudes.

Hope that's helpful.

Rick
Fremont, MI

 
 
 

"You can't put Old Wine in New Bottles "

Post by Joe Sallust » Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:33:57


Makes sense.  The skins would stretch, they were made of hide.
Joe
Quote:

> It sounds like a misquote of Jesus; he said you can't put new wine in
> old wineskins (because they would burst).

> Bob

 
 
 

"You can't put Old Wine in New Bottles "

Post by Andy » Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:22:24


Hi Rick...I've  tried to find good pages on the internet dealing with
the history of wine in 1st century Palestine, Rome, Greece and
such....what wine would have been like....customs etc. .....know of
any?........andy j.
 
 
 

"You can't put Old Wine in New Bottles "

Post by Andy » Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:23:12


Hi Rick...I've  tried to find good pages on the internet dealing with
the history of wine in 1st century Palestine, Rome, Greece and
such....what wine would have been like....customs etc. .....know of
any?........andy j.
 
 
 

"You can't put Old Wine in New Bottles "

Post by Andy » Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:23:55


Hi Rick...I've  tried to find good pages on the internet dealing with
the history of wine in 1st century Palestine, Rome, Greece and
such....what wine would have been like....customs etc. .....know of
any?........andy j.
 
 
 

"You can't put Old Wine in New Bottles "

Post by Rick Vanderwa » Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:52:02


Here's a link from a friend:

http://home.carolina.rr.com/winemaking/

It's at least a look at the art of making wine from Bible times....
an intereaction of the process of winemaking as well as Bible verses...

That's as far as I know.

Rick


Quote:
> Hi Rick...I've  tried to find good pages on the internet dealing with
> the history of wine in 1st century Palestine, Rome, Greece and
> such....what wine would have been like....customs etc. .....know of
> any?........andy j.

 
 
 

"You can't put Old Wine in New Bottles "

Post by Ray Calver » Wed, 22 Sep 2004 23:30:31


I always thought that quote was refering to old skins being infected due to
wine in contact with air in them and the old wine would ruin the new.

So he was either polking at the old was because they were inflexible and
could not accept new ideas or because their old ideas would infect and sour
the new ones.  A little different conotation either way.

Ray


Quote:

>> Greetings,

>>           I get the point of the saying. I also appreciate the idea of
>> laying down bottles and how the disturbance of re-bottling would be
>> harmful. But when I heard it today it made me (now a newbie vintner)
>> stop and wonder how this ever got to be a truism.  Most such
>> folk-sayings have a "truth" somewhere associated with them. Does anyone
>> care to  comment on this ?

>>              Have a Great Weekend,

>>                                      Andrew

> It sounds like a misquote of Jesus; he said you can't put new wine in old
> wineskins (because they would burst).

> Bob

 
 
 

"You can't put Old Wine in New Bottles "

Post by Gary » Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:09:10


Hi Andy,

I'm not aware of an Internet resource, but a good book on the subject is "A
Short History of Wine" by Rod Phillips.  Chapter 2 is "Democratic Drinking -
Wine in Ancient Greece and Rome", which covers the 1st century.

I host the web site that Rick Vanderwal referred to, "Winemaking In The
Bible", which covers basic principles of winemaking from the beginning of
the Old Testament (about 5,000 BC) until the close of the New Testament
canon, (about 100 AD).

Regards,

Gary

http://home.carolina.rr.com/winemaking/


Quote:
> Hi Rick...I've  tried to find good pages on the internet dealing with
> the history of wine in 1st century Palestine, Rome, Greece and
> such....what wine would have been like....customs etc. .....know of
> any?........andy j.

 
 
 

"You can't put Old Wine in New Bottles "

Post by repl » Sun, 26 Sep 2004 04:02:03


Thx. to All for replies. I turned 50 last week and I think
the quote I gave ( "Old wine in New Bottles") is becoming
more and more true as time goes on !

                              Andrew