Ikarus Piccolo and my Draganfly II

Ikarus Piccolo and my Draganfly II

Post by Kenny Dilg » Sat, 27 Jan 2001 01:40:19



I have a question about the Ikarus Piccolo.  A couple of weeks ago I
got into RC helicopters (sort of) with the DraganFly II.

For those that are not familiar with this here is a link that shows
what it is.  It is basically a four rotor helicopter.  You can get all
the details at the website.

http://www.draganfly.com/products_4eh.html

I have learned to fly the thing (I am still working on forward flight
and orientation.

I am posting to see how similar the flying skills would be of the
Piccolo to the DraganFly?  I think that both deal with altitude by
throttle management.

With the Draganfly to control pitch the front or rear rotor slows down
respectively.  The same with the right and left rotors for roll.

The web site explains all this.

Thanks for your information.
(oh, I am just a consumer and not associated with DraganFly
Innovations at all.)

Kenny

 
 
 

Ikarus Piccolo and my Draganfly II

Post by rc10t.. » Sat, 27 Jan 2001 03:46:59


how do you like your draganfly? i was just about to order one what a
coincidence you made a post about it. eren



Quote:

>I have a question about the Ikarus Piccolo.  A couple of weeks ago I
>got into RC helicopters (sort of) with the DraganFly II.

>For those that are not familiar with this here is a link that shows
>what it is.  It is basically a four rotor helicopter.  You can get all
>the details at the website.

>http://www.draganfly.com/products_4eh.html

>I have learned to fly the thing (I am still working on forward flight
>and orientation.

>I am posting to see how similar the flying skills would be of the
>Piccolo to the DraganFly?  I think that both deal with altitude by
>throttle management.

>With the Draganfly to control pitch the front or rear rotor slows down
>respectively.  The same with the right and left rotors for roll.

>The web site explains all this.

>Thanks for your information.
>(oh, I am just a consumer and not associated with DraganFly
>Innovations at all.)

>Kenny


 
 
 

Ikarus Piccolo and my Draganfly II

Post by Kenny Dilg » Sat, 27 Jan 2001 07:42:35



The thing is pretty cool.  The stock frame was way to fragile though.
I called DraganFly and they said they should have a carbon fiber frame
out in a month or so.  I made my own frame out of carbon fiber kite
spars.  I think it came out a little heavier but it will do until the
new frame is developed.

I get a little less flight time because my frame is a little heavier.
I am going to mess around making it a little lighter but when they
have their CF frame out  (which they say will look even cooler)I will
definately buy it.

You know that you don't have to buy the hole thing from them right?
You can everything minus the RX/TX and battery charger for $397.

Also if you get it tell them to make the pack a 10 cell pack instead
of 8 (if you can charge up to 10 cells)  That is the max it will
handle and it performs much better.  Well at least for me it does.  I
live in Colorado Springs at an elevation over 6500 feet so 8 cells
does not do much at all.

Let me know if you get one,
Kenny

Quote:
>how do you like your draganfly? i was just about to order one what a
>coincidence you made a post about it. eren



>>I have a question about the Ikarus Piccolo.  A couple of weeks ago I
>>got into RC helicopters (sort of) with the DraganFly II.

>>For those that are not familiar with this here is a link that shows
>>what it is.  It is basically a four rotor helicopter.  You can get all
>>the details at the website.

>>http://www.draganfly.com/products_4eh.html

>>I have learned to fly the thing (I am still working on forward flight
>>and orientation.

>>I am posting to see how similar the flying skills would be of the
>>Piccolo to the DraganFly?  I think that both deal with altitude by
>>throttle management.

>>With the Draganfly to control pitch the front or rear rotor slows down
>>respectively.  The same with the right and left rotors for roll.

>>The web site explains all this.

>>Thanks for your information.
>>(oh, I am just a consumer and not associated with DraganFly
>>Innovations at all.)

>>Kenny

 
 
 

Ikarus Piccolo and my Draganfly II

Post by James Co » Sat, 27 Jan 2001 08:16:48


Kenny,

I just got a quote today for the Draganflyer without the receiver or
transmitter for $497.00 USD plus shipping.

I would probably get one of these if only it flew for longer than 5 minutes.

James.


Quote:


> The thing is pretty cool.  The stock frame was way to fragile though.
> I called DraganFly and they said they should have a carbon fiber frame
> out in a month or so.  I made my own frame out of carbon fiber kite
> spars.  I think it came out a little heavier but it will do until the
> new frame is developed.

> I get a little less flight time because my frame is a little heavier.
> I am going to mess around making it a little lighter but when they
> have their CF frame out  (which they say will look even cooler)I will
> definately buy it.

> You know that you don't have to buy the hole thing from them right?
> You can everything minus the RX/TX and battery charger for $397.

> Also if you get it tell them to make the pack a 10 cell pack instead
> of 8 (if you can charge up to 10 cells)  That is the max it will
> handle and it performs much better.  Well at least for me it does.  I
> live in Colorado Springs at an elevation over 6500 feet so 8 cells
> does not do much at all.

> Let me know if you get one,
> Kenny

> >how do you like your draganfly? i was just about to order one what a
> >coincidence you made a post about it. eren



> >>I have a question about the Ikarus Piccolo.  A couple of weeks ago I
> >>got into RC helicopters (sort of) with the DraganFly II.

> >>For those that are not familiar with this here is a link that shows
> >>what it is.  It is basically a four rotor helicopter.  You can get all
> >>the details at the website.

> >>http://www.draganfly.com/products_4eh.html

> >>I have learned to fly the thing (I am still working on forward flight
> >>and orientation.

> >>I am posting to see how similar the flying skills would be of the
> >>Piccolo to the DraganFly?  I think that both deal with altitude by
> >>throttle management.

> >>With the Draganfly to control pitch the front or rear rotor slows down
> >>respectively.  The same with the right and left rotors for roll.

> >>The web site explains all this.

> >>Thanks for your information.
> >>(oh, I am just a consumer and not associated with DraganFly
> >>Innovations at all.)

> >>Kenny

 
 
 

Ikarus Piccolo and my Draganfly II

Post by Kenny Dilg » Sat, 27 Jan 2001 23:44:17


On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:16:48 -0800, "James Cox"

You can find them on ebay from Dragan fly for $396.  They usually go
with only one bid.  I don't know who quoted you but they qouted me
$396...

Also the only reason it flyies for such a short time is that the
battery pack is made up of 600KE sells.  If you made a 10 cell 1400AE
pack it would last a lot longer.  I believe those are the cells that
dragan fly said they used.  Check though because they are a little
heaver.

Quote:
>Kenny,

>I just got a quote today for the Draganflyer without the receiver or
>transmitter for $497.00 USD plus shipping.

>I would probably get one of these if only it flew for longer than 5 minutes.

>James.





>> The thing is pretty cool.  The stock frame was way to fragile though.
>> I called DraganFly and they said they should have a carbon fiber frame
>> out in a month or so.  I made my own frame out of carbon fiber kite
>> spars.  I think it came out a little heavier but it will do until the
>> new frame is developed.

>> I get a little less flight time because my frame is a little heavier.
>> I am going to mess around making it a little lighter but when they
>> have their CF frame out  (which they say will look even cooler)I will
>> definately buy it.

>> You know that you don't have to buy the hole thing from them right?
>> You can everything minus the RX/TX and battery charger for $397.

>> Also if you get it tell them to make the pack a 10 cell pack instead
>> of 8 (if you can charge up to 10 cells)  That is the max it will
>> handle and it performs much better.  Well at least for me it does.  I
>> live in Colorado Springs at an elevation over 6500 feet so 8 cells
>> does not do much at all.

>> Let me know if you get one,
>> Kenny

>> >how do you like your draganfly? i was just about to order one what a
>> >coincidence you made a post about it. eren



>> >>I have a question about the Ikarus Piccolo.  A couple of weeks ago I
>> >>got into RC helicopters (sort of) with the DraganFly II.

>> >>For those that are not familiar with this here is a link that shows
>> >>what it is.  It is basically a four rotor helicopter.  You can get all
>> >>the details at the website.

>> >>http://www.draganfly.com/products_4eh.html

>> >>I have learned to fly the thing (I am still working on forward flight
>> >>and orientation.

>> >>I am posting to see how similar the flying skills would be of the
>> >>Piccolo to the DraganFly?  I think that both deal with altitude by
>> >>throttle management.

>> >>With the Draganfly to control pitch the front or rear rotor slows down
>> >>respectively.  The same with the right and left rotors for roll.

>> >>The web site explains all this.

>> >>Thanks for your information.
>> >>(oh, I am just a consumer and not associated with DraganFly
>> >>Innovations at all.)

>> >>Kenny

 
 
 

Ikarus Piccolo and my Draganfly II

Post by James Co » Sun, 28 Jan 2001 01:55:40


Thanks Kenny for the update and the information.  I'm going to do a little
more research into the Draganflyer and I'll watch Ebay.

By the way, these are the questions I posed in the email I wrote and the
response I got from Draganfly (The original email response has been edited
to remove the reams of advertising at the end of the message):

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A few questions on the Draganflyer:

1. Approximately how long will it fly for before running out of charge?
- Flight times are approx. 5 minutes.

2. How long does it take to charge?
- Takes 45 minutes to charger the battery pack.

3. Do you have to purchase the Draganfly transmitter and receiver or can you
hook up another Tx/Rx system such as a JR or Futaba?  How many channels are
required?
- Any Futaba compliant 4 channel radio system will work.  We recommend using
ours as we use a 2 ounce micro receiver to reduce the weight and increase
the flying times and handling response.

4. What is the cost without the Tx/Rx?
- With out the radio system, the Draganflyer is $497.00 USD plus shipping.

5. Does the Rx run off of the same batteries as the motors do?
- The receiver is powered by the same battery pack as the circuit board and
motors.

Thank you.
Peter - Customer Service & Tech Support.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Quote:
> On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:16:48 -0800, "James Cox"

> You can find them on ebay from Dragan fly for $396.  They usually go
> with only one bid.  I don't know who quoted you but they qouted me
> $396...

> Also the only reason it flyies for such a short time is that the
> battery pack is made up of 600KE sells.  If you made a 10 cell 1400AE
> pack it would last a lot longer.  I believe those are the cells that
> dragan fly said they used.  Check though because they are a little
> heaver.

> >Kenny,

> >I just got a quote today for the Draganflyer without the receiver or
> >transmitter for $497.00 USD plus shipping.

> >I would probably get one of these if only it flew for longer than 5
minutes.

> >James.





> >> The thing is pretty cool.  The stock frame was way to fragile though.
> >> I called DraganFly and they said they should have a carbon fiber frame
> >> out in a month or so.  I made my own frame out of carbon fiber kite
> >> spars.  I think it came out a little heavier but it will do until the
> >> new frame is developed.

> >> I get a little less flight time because my frame is a little heavier.
> >> I am going to mess around making it a little lighter but when they
> >> have their CF frame out  (which they say will look even cooler)I will
> >> definately buy it.

> >> You know that you don't have to buy the hole thing from them right?
> >> You can everything minus the RX/TX and battery charger for $397.

> >> Also if you get it tell them to make the pack a 10 cell pack instead
> >> of 8 (if you can charge up to 10 cells)  That is the max it will
> >> handle and it performs much better.  Well at least for me it does.  I
> >> live in Colorado Springs at an elevation over 6500 feet so 8 cells
> >> does not do much at all.

> >> Let me know if you get one,
> >> Kenny

> >> >how do you like your draganfly? i was just about to order one what a
> >> >coincidence you made a post about it. eren



> >> >>I have a question about the Ikarus Piccolo.  A couple of weeks ago I
> >> >>got into RC helicopters (sort of) with the DraganFly II.

> >> >>For those that are not familiar with this here is a link that shows
> >> >>what it is.  It is basically a four rotor helicopter.  You can get
all
> >> >>the details at the website.

> >> >>http://www.draganfly.com/products_4eh.html

> >> >>I have learned to fly the thing (I am still working on forward flight
> >> >>and orientation.

> >> >>I am posting to see how similar the flying skills would be of the
> >> >>Piccolo to the DraganFly?  I think that both deal with altitude by
> >> >>throttle management.

> >> >>With the Draganfly to control pitch the front or rear rotor slows
down
> >> >>respectively.  The same with the right and left rotors for roll.

> >> >>The web site explains all this.

> >> >>Thanks for your information.
> >> >>(oh, I am just a consumer and not associated with DraganFly
> >> >>Innovations at all.)

> >> >>Kenny

 
 
 

Ikarus Piccolo and my Draganfly II

Post by Kenny Dilg » Sun, 28 Jan 2001 02:07:39


On Fri, 26 Jan 2001 08:55:40 -0800, "James Cox"

Well... That is interesting.  I hope that the 2oz micro RX was a typo.
That is *really* heavy for a micro RX.  I am currently using the Hitec
Micro 555 (which is not that small) and it weights in at .8oz.  I just
ordered a GWS Micro RX which is about the size of a penny and weights
in at .2 oz.

DraganFly seems to mark up there stuff pretty good.  I don't blame
them because i bet research on this thing took a good bit.  To give
you an example they quoted me $100 for a similar weight micro RX as
the GWS but I found this one for under $30.

You know, it may be possible that they are now shipping the kit with
the Carbon Fiber frame.  When I talked to them about that frame they
said they would have to charge about $100 more for the kit with that
frame.  Hopefully they are because I really want to see it and get it.

Quote:
>Thanks Kenny for the update and the information.  I'm going to do a little
>more research into the Draganflyer and I'll watch Ebay.

>By the way, these are the questions I posed in the email I wrote and the
>response I got from Draganfly (The original email response has been edited
>to remove the reams of advertising at the end of the message):

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>A few questions on the Draganflyer:

>1. Approximately how long will it fly for before running out of charge?
>- Flight times are approx. 5 minutes.

>2. How long does it take to charge?
>- Takes 45 minutes to charger the battery pack.

>3. Do you have to purchase the Draganfly transmitter and receiver or can you
>hook up another Tx/Rx system such as a JR or Futaba?  How many channels are
>required?
>- Any Futaba compliant 4 channel radio system will work.  We recommend using
>ours as we use a 2 ounce micro receiver to reduce the weight and increase
>the flying times and handling response.

>4. What is the cost without the Tx/Rx?
>- With out the radio system, the Draganflyer is $497.00 USD plus shipping.

>5. Does the Rx run off of the same batteries as the motors do?
>- The receiver is powered by the same battery pack as the circuit board and
>motors.

>Thank you.
>Peter - Customer Service & Tech Support.
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



>> On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:16:48 -0800, "James Cox"

>> You can find them on ebay from Dragan fly for $396.  They usually go
>> with only one bid.  I don't know who quoted you but they qouted me
>> $396...

>> Also the only reason it flyies for such a short time is that the
>> battery pack is made up of 600KE sells.  If you made a 10 cell 1400AE
>> pack it would last a lot longer.  I believe those are the cells that
>> dragan fly said they used.  Check though because they are a little
>> heaver.

>> >Kenny,

>> >I just got a quote today for the Draganflyer without the receiver or
>> >transmitter for $497.00 USD plus shipping.

>> >I would probably get one of these if only it flew for longer than 5
>minutes.

>> >James.





>> >> The thing is pretty cool.  The stock frame was way to fragile though.
>> >> I called DraganFly and they said they should have a carbon fiber frame
>> >> out in a month or so.  I made my own frame out of carbon fiber kite
>> >> spars.  I think it came out a little heavier but it will do until the
>> >> new frame is developed.

>> >> I get a little less flight time because my frame is a little heavier.
>> >> I am going to mess around making it a little lighter but when they
>> >> have their CF frame out  (which they say will look even cooler)I will
>> >> definately buy it.

>> >> You know that you don't have to buy the hole thing from them right?
>> >> You can everything minus the RX/TX and battery charger for $397.

>> >> Also if you get it tell them to make the pack a 10 cell pack instead
>> >> of 8 (if you can charge up to 10 cells)  That is the max it will
>> >> handle and it performs much better.  Well at least for me it does.  I
>> >> live in Colorado Springs at an elevation over 6500 feet so 8 cells
>> >> does not do much at all.

>> >> Let me know if you get one,
>> >> Kenny

>> >> >how do you like your draganfly? i was just about to order one what a
>> >> >coincidence you made a post about it. eren



>> >> >>I have a question about the Ikarus Piccolo.  A couple of weeks ago I
>> >> >>got into RC helicopters (sort of) with the DraganFly II.

>> >> >>For those that are not familiar with this here is a link that shows
>> >> >>what it is.  It is basically a four rotor helicopter.  You can get
>all
>> >> >>the details at the website.

>> >> >>http://www.draganfly.com/products_4eh.html

>> >> >>I have learned to fly the thing (I am still working on forward flight
>> >> >>and orientation.

>> >> >>I am posting to see how similar the flying skills would be of the
>> >> >>Piccolo to the DraganFly?  I think that both deal with altitude by
>> >> >>throttle management.

>> >> >>With the Draganfly to control pitch the front or rear rotor slows
>down
>> >> >>respectively.  The same with the right and left rotors for roll.

>> >> >>The web site explains all this.

>> >> >>Thanks for your information.
>> >> >>(oh, I am just a consumer and not associated with DraganFly
>> >> >>Innovations at all.)

>> >> >>Kenny

 
 
 

Ikarus Piccolo and my Draganfly II

Post by James Co » Sun, 28 Jan 2001 02:10:13


I think I'll stop in and have a look around the shop next time I'm in
Saskatoon.  Maybe I'll get a better feeling and possibly a deal.

James.


Quote:
> On Fri, 26 Jan 2001 08:55:40 -0800, "James Cox"

> Well... That is interesting.  I hope that the 2oz micro RX was a typo.
> That is *really* heavy for a micro RX.  I am currently using the Hitec
> Micro 555 (which is not that small) and it weights in at .8oz.  I just
> ordered a GWS Micro RX which is about the size of a penny and weights
> in at .2 oz.

> DraganFly seems to mark up there stuff pretty good.  I don't blame
> them because i bet research on this thing took a good bit.  To give
> you an example they quoted me $100 for a similar weight micro RX as
> the GWS but I found this one for under $30.

> You know, it may be possible that they are now shipping the kit with
> the Carbon Fiber frame.  When I talked to them about that frame they
> said they would have to charge about $100 more for the kit with that
> frame.  Hopefully they are because I really want to see it and get it.

> >Thanks Kenny for the update and the information.  I'm going to do a
little
> >more research into the Draganflyer and I'll watch Ebay.

> >By the way, these are the questions I posed in the email I wrote and the
> >response I got from Draganfly (The original email response has been
edited
> >to remove the reams of advertising at the end of the message):

> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >A few questions on the Draganflyer:

> >1. Approximately how long will it fly for before running out of charge?
> >- Flight times are approx. 5 minutes.

> >2. How long does it take to charge?
> >- Takes 45 minutes to charger the battery pack.

> >3. Do you have to purchase the Draganfly transmitter and receiver or can
you
> >hook up another Tx/Rx system such as a JR or Futaba?  How many channels
are
> >required?
> >- Any Futaba compliant 4 channel radio system will work.  We recommend
using
> >ours as we use a 2 ounce micro receiver to reduce the weight and increase
> >the flying times and handling response.

> >4. What is the cost without the Tx/Rx?
> >- With out the radio system, the Draganflyer is $497.00 USD plus
shipping.

> >5. Does the Rx run off of the same batteries as the motors do?
> >- The receiver is powered by the same battery pack as the circuit board
and
> >motors.

> >Thank you.
> >Peter - Customer Service & Tech Support.
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



> >> On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:16:48 -0800, "James Cox"

> >> You can find them on ebay from Dragan fly for $396.  They usually go
> >> with only one bid.  I don't know who quoted you but they qouted me
> >> $396...

> >> Also the only reason it flyies for such a short time is that the
> >> battery pack is made up of 600KE sells.  If you made a 10 cell 1400AE
> >> pack it would last a lot longer.  I believe those are the cells that
> >> dragan fly said they used.  Check though because they are a little
> >> heaver.

> >> >Kenny,

> >> >I just got a quote today for the Draganflyer without the receiver or
> >> >transmitter for $497.00 USD plus shipping.

> >> >I would probably get one of these if only it flew for longer than 5
> >minutes.

> >> >James.





> >> >> The thing is pretty cool.  The stock frame was way to fragile
though.
> >> >> I called DraganFly and they said they should have a carbon fiber
frame
> >> >> out in a month or so.  I made my own frame out of carbon fiber kite
> >> >> spars.  I think it came out a little heavier but it will do until
the
> >> >> new frame is developed.

> >> >> I get a little less flight time because my frame is a little
heavier.
> >> >> I am going to mess around making it a little lighter but when they
> >> >> have their CF frame out  (which they say will look even cooler)I
will
> >> >> definately buy it.

> >> >> You know that you don't have to buy the hole thing from them right?
> >> >> You can everything minus the RX/TX and battery charger for $397.

> >> >> Also if you get it tell them to make the pack a 10 cell pack instead
> >> >> of 8 (if you can charge up to 10 cells)  That is the max it will
> >> >> handle and it performs much better.  Well at least for me it does.
I
> >> >> live in Colorado Springs at an elevation over 6500 feet so 8 cells
> >> >> does not do much at all.

> >> >> Let me know if you get one,
> >> >> Kenny

> >> >> >how do you like your draganfly? i was just about to order one what
a
> >> >> >coincidence you made a post about it. eren



> >> >> >>I have a question about the Ikarus Piccolo.  A couple of weeks ago
I
> >> >> >>got into RC helicopters (sort of) with the DraganFly II.

> >> >> >>For those that are not familiar with this here is a link that
shows
> >> >> >>what it is.  It is basically a four rotor helicopter.  You can get
> >all
> >> >> >>the details at the website.

> >> >> >>http://www.draganfly.com/products_4eh.html

> >> >> >>I have learned to fly the thing (I am still working on forward
flight
> >> >> >>and orientation.

> >> >> >>I am posting to see how similar the flying skills would be of the
> >> >> >>Piccolo to the DraganFly?  I think that both deal with altitude by
> >> >> >>throttle management.

> >> >> >>With the Draganfly to control pitch the front or rear rotor slows
> >down
> >> >> >>respectively.  The same with the right and left rotors for roll.

> >> >> >>The web site explains all this.

> >> >> >>Thanks for your information.
> >> >> >>(oh, I am just a consumer and not associated with DraganFly
> >> >> >>Innovations at all.)

> >> >> >>Kenny

 
 
 

Ikarus Piccolo and my Draganfly II

Post by Pat Leon » Thu, 01 Feb 2001 23:40:52


Why buy from Dragonfly when you can buy direct from the source?
http://www1.minn.net/~mjohnson/roswel1.html Mark Johnson at HobbyMart is
the direct dealer for the Rosewell Flyer/X4 - Dragonfly is the OEM
version. I believe Mark sells them at $350 new. All of them are
made/designed by Mike Demar in Minnesota.
 
 
 

Ikarus Piccolo and my Draganfly II

Post by James Co » Fri, 02 Feb 2001 01:32:29


Thanks for the link, I look into it.  We'll have to see about the exchange
rate though.
James.


Quote:
> Why buy from Dragonfly when you can buy direct from the source?
> http://www1.minn.net/~mjohnson/roswel1.html Mark Johnson at HobbyMart is
> the direct dealer for the Rosewell Flyer/X4 - Dragonfly is the OEM
> version. I believe Mark sells them at $350 new. All of them are
> made/designed by Mike Demar in Minnesota.