No I dont.
> >> >> You sat there looking at your Heli for 2 weeks before getting to the
> >> >> club ? no I didn't think so.
> >> >No it doesn't, I phoned up one day, arranged a visit, joined the same
> >> Well that contradicts the last post somewhat doesn't it.
> >Explain why it contradicts it?
> You said you flew it before you went to a club.
> Now you say same day.
> >> >I've already posted that I made very slow progress going along on my
> >> >with lots of help from this forum. Joining a club has accellerated
> >> >progress massively.
> >> I don't disagree but in short of the above occuring the day you get
> >> your Heli you need answers that go beyond wait till someone esle shows
> >> you.
> >What you fail to be taking into account, is that these things can main or
> >even worse, kill -
> So can a house brick during forward flight.
> Your point ?
> > it is sound advice to enlist the help of someone more
> >experienced to start off with (I had a one hour lesson provided by the
> >where I bought my first heli).
> Lucky you.
> So did I
> He set it up badly.
> handed me the controls and said raise the heli and lower the heli and
> keep doing that until you can fly it.
> Then he took off-fuced to a more important engagement.
> >> >It doesn't have to be a formal club, Beavis for example, flies with a
> >> >of friends that help each other out - there are several areas of
> >> >around here where heli fliers are allowed, in those early stages where
> >> >dangerous things can happen (and it seems that the original poster has
> >> >narrowly missed danger with a throttle that was stuck closed - imagine
> >> >could have happened if it was stuck open), the benefit of a little
> >> >experience, while not essential, will help massively.
> >> I don't agree but it depends on where you come from.
> >> For me the primary reason in being in a club is its affiliation with
> >> the national controlling body facilitates insurance and belonging to
> >> the formal organization I can stay in touch with the latest rules,
> >> regs and general goings on, I don't see it as an easy way to get help
> >> though, even though I know I may.
> >> I may meet people there but do not expect everyone there to be my
> >> friend or help me with my Heli, although it may happen with some.
> >I don't know where this attitude has come from.
> So tell us what else you dont know.
> >The whole point of a club is
> >that you are in it together, I haven't heard of any club where the
> >aren't willing and able to help each other.
> Nor have I and have no idea why you would say it.
> > Perhaps it is your attitude that
> >is the problem.
> Do you have a problem ?
> I don't.
> >> It is up to every individual to do at least some effort to familiarise
> >> themselves with the basics so they are not wasting other peoples time
> >> at the field asking forehead smacking questions.
> >> There are a veritably bevy of web sites written by experienced fliers
> >> to obtain such information and no need for people like me or Mr Mgoo
> >> to be flying off un-informed and at our peril.
> >> It not like the club is the ONLY source of info.
> >> This group is one such place.
> >I'm more than happy to answer forehead smacking questions if it means an
> >of control heli isn't going to be flying at me.
> So you would trust soemone who has absolutely no clue more than
> someone who appears to understand and can follow what you tell them
> first time.
> Take out insuance now Tim.
> That's free advice.
> >I answered several
> Why are you competing ?
> You dont get a gold star for answering the first 50 correct questions
> at usenet Tim.
> The purpose is to give advice to others to the questions they ask not
> vitroil to the questions you think they shouldnt ask.
> I mean, who the fk are you.
> Why are you so competitive on such an un-competive subject.
> I got much more of a welcome as a newcomer to motor sport from people
> I later competed against for money trophies and glory than you and
> they actually had some knowledge to defend such as you do not.
> >> Yes this is "handy" but being forced to make descriptions can impart
> >> more information to allow one to attempt it on their own later (even
> >> if only mildly informed) as opposed to someone tweaking it and
> >> uttering a brief explanation of what they did.
> >> After training the 100th person I would estimate like I say they have
> >> better things to do and since everyone here has all the time in the
> >> world to discuss and help newbies like me and MGoo, then why not.
> >Where do you get this attitude from?
> How should I know Im not aware of any attitude.
> >Any club would welcome newbies and
> >understand that they'll need to go through helis 101 before moving on to
> >more advanced topics.
> Yes and grass is green and sky is generally blue. and ?
> >> >You've been involved with helis for five minutes,
> >> 3 weeks actually and flown daily and this is not rocket science or
> >> space travel.
> >> You may have struggled but I am doing nicely thanks
> >Hovering inverted yet? I did yesterday, admittedly with someone on a
> >lead who was there to catch it if it went***up - difficult to do if
> >are flying on your own.
> Ever hand built 2 stroke racing expansion chambers for a living ? I
> Do I get a gold star Tim ?
> No I dont.
> Dont we a wally.
> >> >are handing out advice,
> >> >while ignoring that of people who are far more experience
> >> I have not answered in ignorance of advice given by others nor in
> >> opposition to it.
> >> You are mistaken.
> >> If you are not then show me the thread and quote in which I have
> >> claimed to know better than advice expressed here by others.
> >> And I mean "advice" not "opinion".
> >> > (and I don't
> >> >include myself there - in terms of hours flown I am still relatively
> >> >helis). Have you bought Ray's Manual yet?
> >> 2 hrs on the internet and most average IQ with the help of google.com
> >> could find rehashes if his very same advice at a host of web sites.
> >> The information on the Net could probably fill ten of Rays books and
> >> only cost me the time to look it up.
> >> You have a computer and internet access, why buy a book.
> >Because of the depth of information in there. It was suggested in a
> >thread that you buy the book, and your response was that you already had
> >question answered. I have 5 books on helis sitting on the shelf behind me
> >and I have read every one cover to cover. That's the advice you need. You
> >can get superficial advice from the Internet, but if you want to learn
> >detail about a subject then really you need to read more.
> Book mechanics.
> >> >People like you come and go on a regular basis,
> >> So does the sun and the moon
> >> Your point is ?
> >The point is, in the last three years we've had numerous opinionated
> >like you who only listen when they're told what they want to hear,
> The attitude you have to them does not surprise me coming from you
> after your drivel thus far..
> > in in the
> >end they disappear.
> With the likes if you here trolling their questions, not a wonder.
> > There are those of us who've been participating here for
> >a number of years, and will be here for a number of years to come,
> >out newbies with sound tried and tested advice, rather than something we
> >discovered last week.
> So now youve been here for years.
> Your a regular Walter Mitty.
> >> >anyone remember Bob Cardone?
> >> As I recall this issue is between you and I, why attract other to this
> >> issue ?
> >I think the phrase you are looking for is "you and me". Preposition -
> peurlie and childish
> someone here (alt.spelling) cares.
> >> Admit it Tim, your a rude bastard and not welcoming to new arrivals at
> >again it should be you're - short for you are. I don't own a "rude
> peurlie and childish
> someone here (alt.spelling) cares.
> >I'm more than happy to help newbies,
> Bullshit youre simply a puerile troll who wishes to harass newbies to
> pump up your own self worth at the expense of others.
> > I just don't like opinionated
> >arseholes. Guess which you are.
> And childish games.