What Does NOS Really Mean ?

What Does NOS Really Mean ?

Post by Roscoebo » Sun, 07 Mar 1999 04:00:00



Could someone tell me if there is an offical definition to this term.It seems
if I ask five different people I get five different answers.Is it a new tube
without a box,a new tube that has been reboxed.A new tube in it's original
box.Were there set standards in the Radio and TV industry for a NOS tube.And if
so what are they.
Or is this a term that evolved over the years and is more or less just an
opinion.
Please post any response via email as well as the news group.

               Thanks,Rich

 
 
 

What Does NOS Really Mean ?

Post by Ant trio » Sun, 07 Mar 1999 04:00:00


Rich:
    Have been collecting old radios for more
years than I would like to admit and NOS
should mean only one thing; a new tube in its
original box, it might be less confusing to use
the term NIB.

Ron

 
 
 

What Does NOS Really Mean ?

Post by RadioTer » Sun, 07 Mar 1999 04:00:00


     I've always understood NOS to mean "New Old Stock". Which, to me, means
that it was manufactured some time ago and probably at the same time as the
device that used it... thus the "Old Stock".
     This would be quite different than NIB (New In Box) in that anything
manufactured, say today, and still in its original box and never used could be
NIB but not NOS.

BR,
     Terry

Quote:
>NOS should mean only one thing; a new tube in its original box, it might be

less confusing to use the term NIB.

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What Does NOS Really Mean ?

Post by Dale H. Co » Sun, 07 Mar 1999 04:00:00



Quote:
>Could someone tell me if there is an offical definition to this term.

Rich -

I've always used and understood the term to mean that a tube (or any
other component) is new (never used) in its original box. For new
tubes in other than original boxes I use NIB. I have some tubes that
were subject to a leaky roof and the original boxes were ruined. They
are now in plain white boxes and listed as NIB in my inventory. I also
indicate in the inventory if a tube is JAN.

- Dale
C.E., WDRL-TV, Roanoke/***burg VA

 
 
 

What Does NOS Really Mean ?

Post by Bruce Remic » Sun, 07 Mar 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

> I've always used and understood the term to mean that a tube (or any
> other component) is new (never used) in its original box. For new
> tubes in other than original boxes I use NIB. I have some tubes that
> were subject to a leaky roof and the original boxes were ruined. They
> are now in plain white boxes and listed as NIB in my inventory. I also
> indicate in the inventory if a tube is JAN.

   Good question.  I wish I'd asked it.   NOS is one of those terms that
everyone thinks they know the accepted meaning of, until we are pinned
down like this and find that everyone doesn't really think the same.
    As someone else pointed out, I have always seen NOS defined as "New
Old Stock".  This means an new part, tube, etc. made around the time of
the original product (radio, car, etc.).  Whether it's in its original box
or not is moot.  NOS parts are typically items salvaged from contemporary
warehouse stock, and are often considered more desireable or authentic
than new "reproduction" parts.
    Next.....?

Bruce

 
 
 

What Does NOS Really Mean ?

Post by Randy Gutter » Sun, 07 Mar 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

> Could someone tell me if there is an offical definition to this term.

I'm glad to see that you are taking the time to find out the correct definition of
the term...
One problem is that as a lot of new people come to the hobby - and DON'T bother
doing any research, etc. - and through ignorance - the meaning gets ***led.
It's not that difficult to get the straight word- FAQs, ARC runs definitions every
so often, asking here - etc. are all ways to get it right...  if more people would
just bother - there wouldn't be "20 versions"...

Anyway - to promote the "historical" definitions of some common abbreviations:

NIB  New in box - Implies that an item is unused in it's original box / container
- While the item is new - there may be some "aging" flaws, soil,  etc.

MIB  Mint in box - same - except also implies that it's "factory fresh" - like
something that was in an "outer container" so that it is totally unsoiled,
undamaged, etc.

NOS New Old Stock - While the item is unused - it may have some "problem" -
Electrolytic Capacitors fit this "description" nicely... While "new" - they may
not perform as "new"...  they may need to be reformed - or may infact just be
"bad".  Tubes can fall in this category as well - they may be new - but may have
leaked, or some other problem so that while un-used - they may not work.  NOS
means that while new - no guarantees can be made as far as serviceability...

If an item (like a tube) is new - but in a box other than the original - then it's
just new, reboxed. (no commonly accepted abreviation). I have many tubes that the
boxes were destroyed by water - but the tubes are fine...   They are in new clean
white boxes. I know they are new because of the circumstances - but someone would
just have to take my word for it.

If you need some more "info" - just ask...
best regards...
--
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What Does NOS Really Mean ?

Post by Randy Gutter » Sun, 07 Mar 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

> NOS New Old Stock - While the item is unused - it may have some "problem" -
> Electrolytic Capacitors fit this "description" nicely... While "new" - they may
> not perform as "new"...  they may need to be reformed - or may infact just be
> "bad".  Tubes can fall in this category as well - they may be new - but may have
> leaked, or some other problem so that while un-used - they may not work.  NOS
> means that while new - no guarantees can be made as far as serviceability...

Re-reading this I think something should be added- while the word "Old" implies
something - I think the definition is a bit more specific...  as in vintage - as
opposed to a "newer" replacement item (or reproduction).

So let me restate NOS as:
NOS New Old Stock - A new vintage part.  NOS implies an authentic or original
equipement
part as opposed to a newer replacement or reproduction part. Because of it's age
-though new,
unused - it may have some "problem". Electrolytic Capacitors fit this "description"
nicely...
While "new" - they may not perform as "new"...  they may need to be reformed - or may
infact just be
"bad".  Tubes can fall in this category as well - they may be new - but may have
leaked, or some
other problem so that while un-used - they may not work.  Metal parts may also suffer
some corrosion,
printed items may be faded, or suffer some other casualty of age.  This is not to
imply that the item
is less valuable - in fact many collectors will pay a premium for NOS vs. a more
recently made part - as
it's "authentic".  However - it's also "understood" that  NOS means that while new -
no guarantees
can be made as far as serviceability...  it's an OLD part...

Perhaps it's time we (the collecting community) got these into stone somewhere - ARC
publishes a "short" version of definitions every so often - but they are pretty
spartan...  from ARC 4/94 page 90

N.I.B. = New in original box
M.I.B. = Mint in box
N.O.S. = new old stock (an original, unused vintage item)

While I agree with these - (and note the "better" use of the term vintage with NOS) -
they are somewhat open to interpretation - (esp. M.I.B.) and could stand a thorough
treatment...

best regards...
--
randy guttery

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What Does NOS Really Mean ?

Post by William P. Turn » Sun, 07 Mar 1999 04:00:00


I AGREE WITH RON WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE LINE ABOUT NOS MEANING NEW
BUT NO WARANTEE.  IF YOU BUY IT FROM ME THE WARANTEE IS AS GOOD AS THE
DAY IT WAS MADE.

disregard caps, visual problem
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St,  Charles,  MO 63301-2907

 
 
 

What Does NOS Really Mean ?

Post by MrTitani » Sun, 07 Mar 1999 04:00:00


It means New Old Stock.  That means the item is original to the period (not a
reproduction) but has never been sold or used.  Many times stocks of tubes
would be bought up by collectors when a store or company went out of business -
New Old Stock!
 
 
 

What Does NOS Really Mean ?

Post by GrindO » Sun, 07 Mar 1999 04:00:00


NOS  means NEW OLD STOCK
 
 
 

What Does NOS Really Mean ?

Post by Art » Sun, 07 Mar 1999 04:00:00


I always thought NOS meant - Never on Sunday - but that is only based on
what my significant other says



Quote:
> NOS  means NEW OLD STOCK

 
 
 

What Does NOS Really Mean ?

Post by Randy Gutter » Sun, 07 Mar 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

> I AGREE WITH RON WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE LINE ABOUT NOS MEANING NEW
> BUT NO WARANTEE.  IF YOU BUY IT FROM ME THE WARANTEE IS AS GOOD AS THE
> DAY IT WAS MADE.

It's obvious that the word "guarantee" in today's "English" is not a good
choice - the terms guarantee, guaranty, warrantee and warranty are
becoming increasingly interchangeable - and the differences are becoming
muddied. Here are two sentences using each word correctly in context.

"Bill (the Warranter) offers a Warrant to the Warrantee that Guarantees
that any N.O.S. item purchased from him is as good as the day it was
made. But Bill cannot Guaranty anyone else's obligations but his own."

Without starting a debate about the subtle differences in the
applications of the words - it's probably a good idea to find a better
choice---

Here is an example of the type of "item" that is both "N.O.S." and -
should NOT be assumed to be as good as the day it was made:  Selenium
Rectifiers.  They are known to deteriorate sitting on a shelf.  Yet  -
they can be New Old Stock - esp. when made in the late 50's, and still in
the original "blister pack" packaging from the factory.

If something truly is "as good as the day it was made" - I think that
should not be a N.O.S.  For instance: a part that is in a vacuum sealed
can -- that isn't what I would call New Old Stock - (while it is New -
Unused - may be very old - and may have been sitting on the shelf for a
very long time - the fact that it's also "pristine" raises it above the
implied "shelf wear" of  N.O.S.) - the vacuum and the can have (likely)
preserved the item so that in spite of sitting on a shelf - the item has
been protected from oxidation, chemical contamination, dust, humidity,
etc. - i.e. has not suffered from any "shelf wear"...

The intent is to express that while new and vintage - there is an implied
meaning within N.O.S. that the part may be less reliable or be
cosmetically slightly less than a new or recent part due purely to it's
age and "shelf wear"...    Ok  - some word wizard want to try and
rephrase it so it makes sense?

I'll take one more cut at it -

N.O.S = A new - unused item of vintage manufacture that while new - may
have some functional or cosmetic flaw due purely to "shelf wear" or
"shelf life".  Vintage manufacture implies an item made at the time it
was used in the manufacture of the original equipment it was used in - as
opposed to more recent replacement or replica manufacture. Shelf wear is
minor cosmetic or other flaws that have been caused purely by the item
being exposed to air, humidity, air-borne contaminants, dust, handling,
etc. Such flaws might be slight discoloration, fading, oxidation,
tarnishing, etc. Shelf life may effect certain components level of
functionality - as many components are chemical based (electrolytic and
wax capacitors, selenium rectifiers, etc.) whose ability to function to
original specifications may be impaired by natural chemical deterioration
/ decomposition;  or metallic based - which may be oxidized or tarnished
to the point they cannot work as when originally made.  Many of these
minor maladies may be corrected through cleaning, treatment, etc.;
however, one should take shelf wear and shelf life into consideration
when considering N.O.S. items.

that's my .02 on nos...
best regards...
--
randy guttery

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What Does NOS Really Mean ?

Post by Bill Harri » Mon, 08 Mar 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

> The term "New Old Stock" (NOS) is unfortunate.  Perhaps a better term would
> be "Unused Old Stock" (UOS) since that's what is really meant, the item is
> not new it is unused.  I suppose since NOS is the established term we will
> have to live with it.

I was thinking the same thing, new and old don't go together. I think
this is one of them expoxy morons.

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What Does NOS Really Mean ?

Post by D. Dal » Mon, 08 Mar 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

> It means New Old Stock.  That means the item is original to the period (not a
> reproduction) but has never been sold or used.  Many times stocks of tubes
> would be bought up by collectors when a store or company went out of business -
> New Old Stock!

 My vote is for New Obsolete Stock!
                 Dennis