Interesting discussion on Zenith 12A58 Strat FA

Interesting discussion on Zenith 12A58 Strat FA

Post by Art » Thu, 11 Feb 1999 04:00:00



For a long time here I have witnessed and at times commented upon all
the activities and shenanigans on that E*** auction.  As I see it,
bottom line, you love it or hate it.  But I am digressing.

Recently came across a Zenith 12A58 "Strat" on the Yahoo auction.  The
link is:

http://auctions.yahoo.com/20020-category-leaf.html

I post this note for two reasons.  One, there may be some of you that
really want this radio.  Two, there are some interesting activities on
this set and would love to hear the groups feedback.

What I find intriguing is that the Yahoo auction has an open and posted
question and answer section.  Really lets everyone know everything that
was asked and answered.  But wait, there is more.

Please take a moment and read the questions and answers on this radio.
Is this a scam or not?  Is it a Strat or not?  Is this any different
than some of the shill bidding we have all suspected on that E***
auction.  Or is this totally innocent and I am reading too much into
it?  I really do not want to say anymore and influence your comments nor
do I want to flame or accuse anyone.

My purpose is simple..... there are some great minds (and even some not
so great minds) that comment in this newsgroup and I am interested in
your opinions.

Thanks.  Please post all responses so that all can benefit.

 
 
 

Interesting discussion on Zenith 12A58 Strat FA

Post by Scott Robins » Thu, 11 Feb 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

> For a long time here I have witnessed and at times commented upon all
> the activities and shenanigans on that E*** auction.  As I see it,
> bottom line, you love it or hate it.  But I am digressing.

> Recently came across a Zenith 12A58 "Strat" on the Yahoo auction.  The
> link is:

> http://auctions.yahoo.com/20020-category-leaf.html

> I post this note for two reasons.  One, there may be some of you that
> really want this radio.  Two, there are some interesting activities on
> this set and would love to hear the groups feedback.

> Please take a moment and read the questions and answers on this radio.
> Is this a scam or not?  Is it a Strat or not?

and Scott sez:

I cannot tell whether this is a scam or not and so will not comment on
that.  However, taking it all at face value, I think the seller's reaction
to what seems to me a reasonable question was unsatisfactory.  It's
particularly unwise to be bristly like that on line, where you have no
body language clues to help sort things out.

As to whether it's a Stratosphere model or not, I offer the following
data.  IN the 1936 pages of the Zenith sales brochure set published by
Great Northern in Minneapolis, the name 'Stratosphere' is only applied to
the 25- and 16-tube models.  

That said, it's a right handsome radio, and a price around $1k may not be
out of line.  I think my 12U159 is worth about that.  I'd actually rather
they were worth less so that certain models I like would be affordable.  

The Yahoo auction is interesting.  I may watch them for a while.  

Regards,

--
Scott Robinson

Junque is GOOD for you!

PS-fix the address before replying...

 
 
 

Interesting discussion on Zenith 12A58 Strat FA

Post by Randy Gutter » Fri, 12 Feb 1999 04:00:00


Well - I do get my ***dragged back here on occasion...    Besides -
gives me an "excuse" to plug our April 10th Annual meet again!

But to the point:
I received a couple of emails asking my opinion about this radio, et.
al.

Well - I'm not going to speculate about the seller - I can see both
sides of this question - I think he _could_ have handled the questions
about the legitimacy of the auction / sale a little better  - but after
all - his integrity is being attacked pretty heavily.  The current high
bidder is a repeat customer - has a track record (apparently) with him -
and unless someone outbids that individual - they will indeed win the
auction.  This is where trust, feedback and GOOD email conversations
come in.   Heck - if you really want that radio - but are put off by the
emails - get the guys' phone number and call him.  If he won't give it
out - that tells you something.  If you can talk to him person to person
- perhaps some common ground can be established.

About the radio.  12 tube version of the Strat?  Never seen it in
print.   So a little research is in order.

In Wolff and Jacobson's "RADIO - A Blast from the Past..."   Page 178 -
there is a reprint from :"Radio Retailing" June 1936 that contains a
"press release / ad copy" from Zenith where it clearly states:  "...
There are 20 sets in the a.c. line priced from $39.95 to $139.95.
A.c.-d.c. models run from $29.95 to $84.95. In addition there are 3
Stratosphere sets and two high fidelity consoles. For farms...."

Well let's see - I'm not going to try to list the 20 a.c. sets nor the
a.c.-d.c. sets - (who cares in this discusssion?)...  But what about the
"3 Stratosphere sets?"  Well - lets' see - 1936 - _the_ "Strat." was
still available (actually both as the Stratosphere and the 1000Z
depending on date, etc.) - as were the 16A61 and 16A63 Strats. That's
three.  So what about those two un-identified "high fidelity consoles"?
This is a PURE GUESS on my part - but looking at the factory service
book - vol. one (in my lap) - the only high tube count console radios
offered in 1936 (besides the Strats.) were:   (drum roll please!)  the
12A57 and 12A58 (chassis 1202) - which replaced the similar four 1935
models - the 980, 985 990 (chassis 1201/A) and 1107 (chassis 1201-L).

The seller made the comment in answer to a question about the radio
really being a Strat.:

Quote:
> Thanks for your question. I have an original Zenith Factory Service
> Manual that has a special section for the Stratospheres. It has
pictures,
> schematics, alignment details, replacement parts list with original
prices,
> and more. This section lists three Stratospheres; 25 tube, 16 tube,
and
> 12 tube.

Hmmm....  must be a different manual than I have...  Mine has them
grouped together too pages 279 - 310 (as noted above: the 16A61, 16A63 &
the "Stratosphere" (25 tube - early and late production - each with a
"C" and "P" version chassis).  The 12 tube 1936 radios (12A57 & 12A58
chassis 1202/A) are a couple radios earlier - starting page 263 (two
battery farm set chassis in between).

Quote:
> Except for the number of tubes, the parts lists are virtually
> identical; using the same calibrated dial glass, dual "Concertone"
> speakers, Planetary 2-speed dial tuning, Shadowgraph tuning meter,

etc.

Say what????  Kinda leaving out some "minor" differences - don't you
think?

1) one chassis vs. two -
2) single RF stage vs. two
3) no variable IF
4) single stage passive AGC (vs. two stage active)
5) back to those speakers - to imply they are the same as the "Strats."
- is a bit misleading too  --
the 12A58 uses the Zenith 12" and 6" speakers - cost (then) $10.00 &
$5.00.  (Zenith P/Ns 49-124 & 49-125).
The Strats used nothing of the kind -
THE Strat. used (two) $30.00 (then) 12" Jensens (Zenith P/N 49-102 &
49-103) ...  plus a _very_ expensive ($35.00 then)  "Tweeter" (Zenith
P/N 49-99).
The 16A61/63 used smaller "Concert" 12" 49-128 $17.50 (then) and 6"
"Tweeter Type"  49-129 $7.00 (then).

So - if this 12A58 has the same speakers as the "bigger Strats" - then
them ain't stock....

Quote:
> With all due respect to Bunis, this is the Zenith Factory Manual.

With all due respect to the seller - "HOGWASH"!  Nice radio - and it
should stand on it's own - why muck it up?
I can see where one might be mighty proud of this radio - and to tout it
loudly...   but...  there is that fine line - and since trust is THE BIG
THING in an on-line transaction - I (my opinion) would go out of my way
to not tweak a buyer - or give them any cause to have doubts...   but
that's just me.

As noted earlier - sounds like one of the two 1936 "High Fidelity
Consoles" in the Zenith blurb...   Show me some hard "Zenith" evidence
that the 12A57/58 was ever called / named / referred to as a Zenith
Stratosphere - and I'll eat a double helping of humble pie...

kindest regards to all...
--
randy guttery

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Interesting discussion on Zenith 12A58 Strat FA

Post by Padgett 0siri » Fri, 12 Feb 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
>> Recently came across a Zenith 12A58 "Strat" on the Yahoo auction.  The

Strategem ? ("any trick or deception" - Webster's)

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