Yucky Phone Wire

Yucky Phone Wire

Post by KleeB » Fri, 02 Apr 1999 04:00:00



The phone guys were working out in my front yard last week, and I asked them if
they could leave me some scraps.  It is actually fiber optic cable, not the old
copper wire.  It is still color coated, though.  Has anybody used it?  Does it
work the same as the wire?  The big problem, though, is that it was packed with
some kind of grease.  It's a little like vaseline, but won't just wipe right
off the wires.  I'm hesitant to experiment with solvents, for fear of mangling
the colored coating or having residue on it when I try to use it with clay.  

Has anybody had this problem?  Did you find a way to clean the wire, or do I
have five feet of really cool colored cable to go into the trash?
       --Klee

 
 
 

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Post by Wheat Car » Sat, 03 Apr 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

> The phone guys were working out in my front yard last week, and I asked them if
> they could leave me some scraps.  It is actually fiber optic cable, not the old
> copper wire.  It is still color coated, though.  Has anybody used it?  Does it
> work the same as the wire?  The big problem, though, is that it was packed with
> some kind of grease.  It's a little like vaseline, but won't just wipe right
> off the wires.  I'm hesitant to experiment with solvents, for fear of mangling
> the colored coating or having residue on it when I try to use it with clay.

> Has anybody had this problem?  Did you find a way to clean the wire, or do I
> have five feet of really cool colored cable to go into the trash?
>        --Klee

You should be able to clean the protective coating by soaking in soapy
warm water.  Dawn should work well.

however, I *really* would suggest you do not use Fiber Optic Cable.

Fiber Optic Cable is GLASS thread and there are a number of potentially
serious consequences of these "slivers" get loose - since you will be
bending the cable it is pretty certain that you will fracture the cable
and that some of these almost microscoptic bits of glass will get loose.

sorry to be downbeat - but if you read the OSHA specs for safe handling
then you will probably think twice about trying to incorporate this wire
into your work.

Wheat

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Post by Ed Lukosk » Tue, 06 Apr 1999 04:00:00


The flooding compound can be removed with a solvent called "Citra-Solve"
(thnk I spelled it right).  It is an orange liquid that smells like oranges.
More information about the construction of communications cables can be had
at Corning's website, or try Siecor, or maybe General Cable.

I should warn you that some considerable care is required when you handle
communications grade optical fibers.  The consequences of getting little
glass splinters into your fingertips are bad!

YOU SHOULD NOT GIVE THESE MATERIALS TO KIDS TO PUTZ WITH or incorporate them
in objects meant to be handled.

Quote:

>The phone guys were working out in my front yard last week, and I asked
them if
>they could leave me some scraps.  It is actually fiber optic cable, not the
old
>copper wire.  It is still color coated, though.  Has anybody used it?  Does
it
>work the same as the wire?  The big problem, though, is that it was packed
with
>some kind of grease.  It's a little like vaseline, but won't just wipe
right
>off the wires.  I'm hesitant to experiment with solvents, for fear of
mangling
>the colored coating or having residue on it when I try to use it with clay.

>Has anybody had this problem?  Did you find a way to clean the wire, or do
I
>have five feet of really cool colored cable to go into the trash?
>       --Klee

 
 
 

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Post by KleeB » Wed, 07 Apr 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
>I should warn you that some considerable care is required when you handle
>communications grade optical fibers.  The consequences of getting little
>glass splinters into your fingertips are bad!

This really concerns me--I wonder if I just shouldn't try to use this stuff at
all.  Is the coating at least a polymer?  It would seem that you would only get
splinters if you were touching the ends, but I don't know.  

Thanks for the tip about the citrus cleaner, by the way.  I think I have some
GooGone, which is the same stuff.  My Dawn dishsoap didn't even touch the
stuff.  Neither did the 409 or rubbing ***.  I'm off to check this web-site
for more details about this (not) wire.
             --Klee
            Carpe Clayum

 
 
 

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Post by KleeB » Sun, 11 Apr 1999 04:00:00


Hokay, it's not nearly as bad as I thought.  1)  Although the phone guy called
it "Fiber", on close inspection (stripping it), it's plain old copper wire!
2)  The vaselinish stuff did come right off with the Goo-Gone, and then Dawn to
get the last of the greasy feel off.  It's not exactly quick and easy toclean,
but it will work if I want to use the wire.
3)  The stuff that would not could not come off my hands or some of the wire
was not the same as the vaseline stuff.  There was some kind of super adhesive
keeping together the outer layers of the cable.  There was plastic, with
binding wrapped around that looked like packing string. Then a layer of
adhesive, and then a layer of aluminum sheeting stuff, with more string binding
that.  Then more adhesive, and then the black plastic covering that was the
outside of this 3" cable.  This adhesive is what was on my hands, and I thought
I would NEVER get it off!!!  I tried solvents you shouldn't even put on your
skin when the Lava and the Dawn and the 409 and the rubbing *** and the
fingernail polish remover all failed.  After awhile, it mostly rubbed off with
the rag I used, and my hands were only a little sticky.

M***of the story:  Nuthin's free, Honey!  
<G>
          --Klee

 
 
 

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Post by Helen Fleisch » Mon, 12 Apr 1999 04:00:00



Quote:
>that.  Then more adhesive, and then the black plastic covering that was the
>outside of this 3" cable.  This adhesive is what was on my hands, and I thought
>I would NEVER get it off!!!  I tried solvents you shouldn't even put on your
>skin when the Lava and the Dawn and the 409 and the rubbing *** and the
>fingernail polish remover all failed.  After awhile, it mostly rubbed off with
>the rag I used, and my hands were only a little sticky.

>M***of the story:  Nuthin's free, Honey!  

For future reference, plain old vegetable oil is one of the best things
I've ever found to get gummy, sticky adhesives off my hands. Use the oil
to loosen it, wipe the gunk off on a paper towel, then wash off the oil.


 Helen "Halla" Fleischer,
 Fantasy & Fiber Artist in Fairland, MD USA

 
 
 

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Post by Dan Bollinge » Mon, 12 Apr 1999 04:00:00


KleeBug,   Scrounging used phone wire isn't the only way to obtain some.
You can buy it, too!  It is available retail, by the foot from Electronic
Supply Distributors.   They have brand new, clean wire and you can select
the cable with the colors you like.  Some have half the wires with stripes,
while others are all solid colors.  Also, they will have various gauges
(diamaters) of colored wire.  Make sure you get "solid" and not "stranded"
the latter won't keep its shape once bent.  Phone wire is usually 22 gauge,
the bigger the number the smaller the wire.  Did you know that the plastic
covering is PVC, the same as polymer clay?  
--

Dan Bollinger
Wabash Men's Council
http://www.FoundCollection.com/



Quote:
> Hokay, it's not nearly as bad as I thought.  1)  Although the phone guy
called
> it "Fiber", on close inspection (stripping it), it's plain old copper
wire!
> 2)  The vaselinish stuff did come right off with the Goo-Gone, and then
Dawn to
> get the last of the greasy feel off.  It's not exactly quick and easy
toclean,
> but it will work if I want to use the wire.
> 3)  The stuff that would not could not come off my hands or some of the
wire
> was not the same as the vaseline stuff.  There was some kind of super
adhesive
> keeping together the outer layers of the cable.  There was plastic, with
> binding wrapped around that looked like packing string. Then a layer of
> adhesive, and then a layer of aluminum sheeting stuff, with more string
binding
> that.  Then more adhesive, and then the black plastic covering that was
the
> outside of this 3" cable.  This adhesive is what was on my hands, and I
thought
> I would NEVER get it off!!!  I tried solvents you shouldn't even put on
your
> skin when the Lava and the Dawn and the 409 and the rubbing *** and
the
> fingernail polish remover all failed.  After awhile, it mostly rubbed off
with
> the rag I used, and my hands were only a little sticky.

> M***of the story:  Nuthin's free, Honey!  
> <G>
>           --Klee

 
 
 

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Post by KleeB » Mon, 12 Apr 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
>Scrounging used phone wire isn't the only way to obtain some.
>You can buy it, too!

Yeah!  But where's the challenge in that!?<G>

Quote:
>Phone wire is usually 22 gauge,
>the bigger the number the smaller the wire.

Yep, this is 22 gauge--possibly even 24, I haven't checked it with the gauge
tool yet (the gauge gauge?).  If I need a sturdier amature for something, I can
twist a few strands together.  I like the pliability of the copper wire, and
incorporated it into a lot of things as armature.

Quote:
>Did you know that the plastic
>covering is PVC, the same as polymer clay?  

Yep again.  That's another reason it makes such a great armature!  The clay
will really bond with it, and you have fewer problems with the wires poking out
in thin areas (like fingers or claws)

I also like it for "crazy hair" on some pieces.  Mostly, I prefer wool or
mohair, being a handspinner.  (And have PLENTY around!!)  But the coiled phone
wire sticking up from a troll doll looks great.

Thanks for your response!  Someday, I might try things the easy way and pay for
stuff instead of dumster diving.  Old habits die hard!! <G>

 
 
 

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Post by jabramso » Mon, 12 Apr 1999 04:00:00


That's great to know but where is Electronic Supply Distributors. Is it
a local company or national? Or better yet, on the web?

Jody

Quote:

> KleeBug,   Scrounging used phone wire isn't the only way to obtain
> some.  You can buy it, too!  It is available retail, by the foot from
> Electronic Supply Distributors.   They have brand new, clean wire and
> you can select the cable with the colors you like.  Some have half the
> wires with stripes, while others are all solid colors.  Also, they
> will have various gauges (diamaters) of colored wire.  Make sure you
> get "solid" and not "stranded" the latter won't keep its shape once
> bent.  Phone wire is usually 22 gauge, the bigger the number the
> smaller the wire.  Did you know that the plastic covering is PVC, the
> same as polymer clay?
> --

> Dan Bollinger
> Wabash Men's Council
> http://www.FoundCollection.com/



> > Hokay, it's not nearly as bad as I thought.  1)  Although the phone
> guy called
> > it "Fiber", on close inspection (stripping it), it's plain old
> copper wire!
> > 2)  The vaselinish stuff did come right off with the Goo-Gone, and
> then Dawn to
> > get the last of the greasy feel off.  It's not exactly quick and
> easy toclean,
> > but it will work if I want to use the wire.
> > 3)  The stuff that would not could not come off my hands or some of
> the wire
> > was not the same as the vaseline stuff.  There was some kind of
> super adhesive
> > keeping together the outer layers of the cable.  There was plastic,
> with
> > binding wrapped around that looked like packing string. Then a layer
> of
> > adhesive, and then a layer of aluminum sheeting stuff, with more
> string binding
> > that.  Then more adhesive, and then the black plastic covering that
> was the
> > outside of this 3" cable.  This adhesive is what was on my hands,
> and I thought
> > I would NEVER get it off!!!  I tried solvents you shouldn't even put
> on your
> > skin when the Lava and the Dawn and the 409 and the rubbing ***
> and the
> > fingernail polish remover all failed.  After awhile, it mostly
> rubbed off with
> > the rag I used, and my hands were only a little sticky.

> > M***of the story:  Nuthin's free, Honey!
> > <G>
> >           --Klee

 
 
 

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Post by Ed Lukosk » Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:00:00


The "super adhesive" stuff is properly called a flooding compound and is
intended to seal and sort of 'heal' damage to the outer jacket and keep
moisture out of the cable.  Some cables designed for underground use also
incorporate a similar material to make the cable less fun for rodents to
gnaw on.

Sorry, but I don't know of any safe and readily available solvents that will
do a nice job of removing it if the Citra-solv won't do it.

The "packing string" is likely a Kevlar strength member.  This is the stuff
bullet-proof vests are made of and it has incredible tensile strength.


Quote:
> Hokay, it's not nearly as bad as I thought.  1)  Although the phone guy
called
> it "Fiber", on close inspection (stripping it), it's plain old copper
wire!
> 2)  The vaselinish stuff did come right off with the Goo-Gone, and then
Dawn to
> get the last of the greasy feel off.  It's not exactly quick and easy
toclean,
> but it will work if I want to use the wire.
> 3)  The stuff that would not could not come off my hands or some of the
wire
> was not the same as the vaseline stuff.  There was some kind of super
adhesive
> keeping together the outer layers of the cable.  There was plastic, with
> binding wrapped around that looked like packing string. Then a layer of
> adhesive, and then a layer of aluminum sheeting stuff, with more string
binding
> that.  Then more adhesive, and then the black plastic covering that was
the
> outside of this 3" cable.  This adhesive is what was on my hands, and I
thought
> I would NEVER get it off!!!  I tried solvents you shouldn't even put on
your
> skin when the Lava and the Dawn and the 409 and the rubbing *** and
the
> fingernail polish remover all failed.  After awhile, it mostly rubbed off
with
> the rag I used, and my hands were only a little sticky.

> M***of the story:  Nuthin's free, Honey!
> <G>
>           --Klee

 
 
 

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Post by Vince Rhe » Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

>The "super adhesive" stuff is properly called a flooding compound and is
>intended to seal and sort of 'heal' damage to the outer jacket and keep
>moisture out of the cable.  Some cables designed for underground use also
>incorporate a similar material to make the cable less fun for rodents to
>gnaw on.

>Sorry, but I don't know of any safe and readily available solvents that
will
>do a nice job of removing it if the Citra-solv won't do it.

>The "packing string" is likely a Kevlar strength member.  This is the stuff
>bullet-proof vests are made of and it has incredible tensile strength.

Thanks for the info.  I was wondering about that.  Do you work in polymer
clay?
Jeanne

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Post by Bozo » Fri, 16 Apr 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

>That's great to know but where is Electronic Supply Distributors. Is it
>a local company or national? Or better yet, on the web?

I dont know about them, but try All Electronics.  It might not be in their
catalog but I know I saw it in their shop.  If I recall correctly it was 10foot
lengths of 40 conductors (or was it pairs) on sale for a buck.  Expect $1 for
the wire and $5 for shipping.

http://www.allcorp.com

Flint