Arts AND Crafts-my final word

Arts AND Crafts-my final word

Post by Angel » Sat, 27 Jun 1998 04:00:00



I'm amazed that there is this much debate. I personally couldn't care
less about labels. ***LABELS*** are what destroy things. Labels limit
children growing up (she's the smart one, he's the silly one), limit
budding artists and musicians (why don't you try being a CPA? you've
never been the musical one), limit people to only certain types of music
(hate all country music. hate all heavy metal), and are the lowest form
of intolerance in my opinion. Why label anything art or craft only? For
that matter, why label anything?

Angela <whew!>

 
 
 

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Post by P?rr? T?rr?n » Mon, 29 Jun 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

>Why label anything art or craft only? For
>that matter, why label anything?

;-)
Maybe the explanation lies in the communication: all words are deals
between humans, agreements that certain sounds (or letters) combined mean
something specific we all know.

IMHO the problem with words like ART and CRAFT is that they actually are
used as if they were something specific when in real life they have
thousands of meanings... That is one reason why this conversation is always
waking up in every group of artists I have seen/heard/been in. Maybe we
just want to make some deals how to talk to eachother so that we could
understand eachother better. (IMHO, again)

P?RR?

--

Sarjassamme moderneja satuaarteita:
Jotkut pillipiiparit viev?t sek? palkan ett? lapsuuden,
mutta j?tt?v?t rotat kaupungin kaduille.  

 
 
 

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Post by kk » Tue, 30 Jun 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
> Maybe we
> just want to make some deals how to talk to eachother so that we could
> understand eachother better. (IMHO, again)

> P?RR?

Well, SOME labels *are* important.  For months I've thought that Porro was a
guy.

Kelly

 
 
 

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Post by janeh.. » Tue, 30 Jun 1998 04:00:00


<<Well, SOME labels *are* important.  For months I've thought that Porro
was a guy.>>

Personally, I've become so sick of all the gender wars stuff, that I'd
be happy if we only became gendered when absolutely necessary-- say, at
singles bars or *** banks...

 
 
 

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Post by kk » Tue, 30 Jun 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
> <<Well, SOME labels *are* important.  For months I've thought that Porro
> was a guy.>>

> Personally, I've become so sick of all the gender wars stuff, that I'd
> be happy if we only became gendered when absolutely necessary-- say, at
> singles bars or *** banks...

 It doesn't matter except that I'm a highly visual person and tend to
unconsciously create some kind of mental image of a person whose messages I
see frequently!
 
 
 

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Post by Narigo » Wed, 01 Jul 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

>Personally, I've become so sick of all the gender wars stuff, that I'd
>be happy if we only became gendered when absolutely necessary-- say, at
>singles bars or *** banks...

Don't forget the delivery room.  :-)

Carol

 
 
 

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Post by P?rr? T?rr?n » Wed, 01 Jul 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

>Well, SOME labels *are* important.  For months I've thought that Porro was
a
>guy.

Kelly,

Dont worry, you are normal. Even Finnish people in the net dont always
know which gender I am... <VBG>
This just proves, again, my belief that gender is not a matter of brains or
words. Further more, now that we are talking about images, I have found
that most of you dear friends have thought me to be a little older... Well,
I am not. I am 26, turning to be 27 on 8th of August (a hint !).

So now, do you see me or the image ? I hope you at least can see a hint of
a person behind these words !

P?RR?

--

Sarjassamme moderneja satuaarteita:
Jotkut pillipiiparit viev?t sek? palkan ett? lapsuuden,
mutta j?tt?v?t rotat kaupungin kaduille.  

 
 
 

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Post by CJ » Wed, 01 Jul 1998 04:00:00


Quote:


> >Well, SOME labels *are* important.  For months I've thought that Porro was
> a
> >guy.

> Kelly,

> Dont worry, you are normal. Even Finnish people in the net dont always
> know which gender I am... <VBG>
> This just proves, again, my belief that gender is not a matter of brains or
> words. Further more, now that we are talking about images, I have found
> that most of you dear friends have thought me to be a little older... Well,
> I am not. I am 26, turning to be 27 on 8th of August (a hint !).

> So now, do you see me or the image ? I hope you at least can see a hint of
> a person behind these words !

> P?RR?

Now it's time for *my* confession.... I had always thought
that Kelly was female, till I was corrected by Kristy. I was
shocked, but glad that I hadnt told anyone else about 'this
gal who makes really neat sculptures'!

I always figured Porro was female. One mark for me, I guess.

And I still get email from people who think I'm male. But for
those who do 'guess' correctly that I'm female, I rarely am
guessed to be anything over 30. I'm closer to 50 than I care
to admit. :-)   Actually, age doesnt bother me. If I looked my
age, I guess it would, but I'm one of those lucky ones who
has never looked my age....

It's a real eye opener to find out that both Kelly and Porro
are around my daughter's age. THAT makes me feel old... :-S

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CJ
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Post by kk » Wed, 01 Jul 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
> Now it's time for *my* confession.... I had always thought
> that Kelly was female, till I was corrected by Kristy. I was
> shocked, but glad that I hadnt told anyone else about 'this
> gal who makes really neat sculptures'!

Retract your confession -- you're in for more confusion.  <g> THIS Kelly is not
only female, but OLDER than you <55>.But I'm not anyone who does really neat
sculptures.   Really neat color charts, maybe, but these abused hands aren't into
scupting, and even at their best never cooperated in getting the neat images in
my head thru to the medium I was trying to express them, in.

So.  Are you awhirl yet???   <evil grin>

Kelly the Other

 
 
 

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Post by CJ » Wed, 01 Jul 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

> > Now it's time for *my* confession.... I had always thought
> > that Kelly was female, till I was corrected by Kristy. I was
> > shocked, but glad that I hadnt told anyone else about 'this
> > gal who makes really neat sculptures'!

> Retract your confession -- you're in for more confusion.  <g> THIS Kelly is not
> only female, but OLDER than you <55>.But I'm not anyone who does really neat
> sculptures.   Really neat color charts, maybe, but these abused hands aren't into
> scupting, and even at their best never cooperated in getting the neat images in
> my head thru to the medium I was trying to express them, in.

> So.  Are you awhirl yet???   <evil grin>

> Kelly the Other

Well, after I get my jaw off the floor, maybe I can think of
something to say....  I guess I should have said Kelly Godel....
I like Kelly the Other. Makes you sound like you're from Norway.
:-)
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Post by el.. » Wed, 01 Jul 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

> > Now it's time for *my* confession.... I had always thought
> > that Kelly was female, till I was corrected by Kristy. I was
> > shocked, but glad that I hadnt told anyone else about 'this
> > gal who makes really neat sculptures'!

> Retract your confession -- you're in for more confusion.  <g> THIS Kelly is not
> only female, but OLDER than you <55>.But I'm not anyone who does really neat
> sculptures.   Really neat color charts, maybe, but these abused hands aren't into
> scupting, and even at their best never cooperated in getting the neat images in
> my head thru to the medium I was trying to express them, in.

> So.  Are you awhirl yet???   <evil grin>

> Kelly the Other

Kelly - I swear I thought you were a guy too!  Didn't make a difference
though because that color chart looks wonderful no matter what the
gender!  I've already sent you my order and am looking forward to it
with great glee.  As to being older...55 is starting to look mighty ok
as I'm nearing that great 50.  <VBG>
Carolyn
A Jersey GIRL
 
 
 

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Post by RSPIE » Wed, 01 Jul 1998 04:00:00


You're right,  P?rr? - I always assumed you were older, based mainly on the
wisdom in your posts!   (But then, I always assume EVERYONE's older than that).

You are wise beyond your years!

Randi