HELP!! LS and Tranfers (long post)

HELP!! LS and Tranfers (long post)

Post by Dawn » Tue, 20 Oct 1998 04:00:00



10/18/98 I just got my first batch of LS and am about to experiment!!
10/19/98 ok, I've done this twice now & have messed up 2 pieces.. I
flattened a piece
of raw clay, painted LS over the top and put a picture face down on it.  The
first piece I baked picture side up, the second, picture side down. The 1st
had no transfer at all, and the 2nd had a tiny bit but when I pulled it off
the glass, some LS stuck to the glass.  Then when I pulled the picture off,
more LS came off in patches.
The first picture I used was a cut out from a colored gift bag; the second
was a color picture from a catalog.  I baked at 265* for about 25 min..& did
not let pieces cool before taking off pix.
10/20/98 ok,ok, this time I put raw clay on my baking sheet, put a thin
layer of LS, then a color picture I printed out from one of my art programs
on the puter(face down), then a thin layer of Sculpey Dilutant.  I also put
some LS on a glass plate to see what would happen as was suggested to me,
and it didn't come off cleanly.  I also took another picture that I printed
out & put LS on it, baked it, peeled it off, and alas...NO color transfer,
not even a speck.
What am I doing?? Thanks in advance..Dawn

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Post by Patricia Edmond » Tue, 20 Oct 1998 04:00:00


I always thought that the only type of pictures that would transfer were from
copiers
( with  toner and ink.... apparantly the plasticizer in the clay "melts" the
toner and therefore transfers the image... )   That's all I've ever used, and
have had no problems with transfering pictures.  NOT that I'm a transfer expert,
by any means...:-)
pat

 
 
 

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Post by Polycla » Wed, 21 Oct 1998 04:00:00


If you are trying to use pictures printed with an ofset press or Litographic
machine  you will need to soak the baked prodect so that you can leave a very
thin film of the paper (with the picture).
Anothe approch would be to place the picture face up on the non LS part and
then cover it with LS. In effect inbedding the paper under the LS.
 
 
 

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Post by scott & iren » Thu, 22 Oct 1998 04:00:00



<LS transfer frustration snipped>

Quote:
> What am I doing?? Thanks in advance..Dawn

I've only done a few LS transfers, but I'll tell you what I can.  Firstly,
I've had no success either with transfers from gift wrap.  I haven't tried
a catalog image, but a Smithsonian magazine image worked great, as did a
colored-pencil drawing on regular cheap paper.  Ink jet printer images
won't work at all, I'm told, unless you print them onto t-shirt transfer
paper.

My method is as follows:  
I painted a thin layer of transluscent LS onto a piece of glass, waited a
few minutes for it to level out.  Then I cut out the image (magazine or
pencil drawing), leaving a corner to fold up as a pull-tab.  I laid the
image face-down on the LS, looked from underneath and pressed air bubbles
out towards the sides, and baked for 15 minutes at 275.  I took it out of
the oven hot, mostly because I had other things in there that needed to
bake longer and I was impatient to see the transfer.  When it cooled, I
peeled off the paper.  As I recall, the paper with the pencil drawing
peeled off cleanly, and the magazine paper tore a little and I had to rub
and pick it all off (a little water makes this easier).  I peeled the
now-hardened LS from the glass by sliding a blade under the edge of it, and
it came up in one sheet, cleanly.  It doesn't seem to matter whether you
peel the image off the LS before or after you remove it from the glass.

As I said, I've only done a few of these, but I hope this helps.  Good
luck,
Irene in NC
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Post by Dawn » Thu, 22 Oct 1998 04:00:00


Thank you , Irene! I'll try again & won't use bubble jet print outs from my
own printer.  Someone told me color copies are the best for transferring...I
guess they meant copies made at Mailboxes...Now if someone can offer advise
on how to transfer using regular clay and a combo of regular clay and LS,
I'll be set!!

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Post by Otterfi » Thu, 22 Oct 1998 04:00:00


i have an ink jet and thermal fax paper works great on color transfers.  i scan
the image and print it on the paper or color something on the paper and then
paint a thin layer of TLS and bake, then peel, it seems for me that it works
better if you let it cool before pulling apart, i have had some of the TLS tear
when it was warm.  i have not really tried doing the thermal fax paper
directily on clay, because i have a thing with bubbles  :)
 
 
 

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Post by Kell » Thu, 22 Oct 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

> Thank you , Irene! I'll try again & won't use bubble jet print outs from my
> own printer.  Someone told me color copies are the best for transferring...I
> guess they meant copies made at Mailboxes...Now if someone can offer advise
> on how to transfer using regular clay and a combo of regular clay and LS,
> I'll be set!!

If things EVER settle out for me, I'm going to try some of that expensive
photo-quality inkjet paper that I have sitting around (from better days in the
distant past... ;o)   ), and see if it transfers.  It has a coating on it that
I've *heard* will do it.

alternatively, I will send sheets of this paper to a few people to experiment
with who would like to send me a SASE, on the condition that if it DOES work,
they send me something way cool they've done with it in exchange.   (by "way
cool" I just mean neat, inventive, groovy, conversation-piece... my most
favorite thing is a 2"x4" imitation ivory scrimshaw I got as a swap that I wear
as a pendant when I want attention...<g>)

If it doesn't work, I'll just be SOL, which I've been so often these days that
it seems SOP.

Kelly

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http://www.jewlart.com/polyclay/
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Post by JPatte » Thu, 22 Oct 1998 04:00:00


What I want to know is what do I do with the transfers once I get them???  I
have tried a few useing the method Irene suggested, they worked just fine.  NOW
WHAT??

Jenny P

 
 
 

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Post by DABla » Fri, 23 Oct 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
>Someone told me color copies are the best for transferring...I guess they

meant copies made at Mailboxes...>

Since there are various types of copy one can use for transfers, various types
of media to use, and different printers/copiers, it can be really confusing.
From what I remember, these combos work well:

--b & w prints from a copier to slabs of clay or to LS
--color prints must be from an ink jet printer, but will only transfer to
special
       papers ("t-shirt transfer paper"), or some other slick papers; the
       resulting image must then be transferred again to a slab of clay (or
LS?)
--color images from magazines with high-quality slick paper (to clay, and LS?)
--colored pencils (by themselves or with photocopies) (to clay and LS)
(--can't remember if newsprint and/or color comics from the newspaper will
work)

Please everyone, post corrections & additions if these are wrong.

<Now if someone can offer advise on how to transfer using regular clay and a
combo of regular clay and LS, I'll be set!!>

As far as I know, transfers aren't usually done with LS *and* regular clay at
the same time.  Maybe you're thinking of how to attach the LS transfer to a
slab of regular clay after transferring??  I would guess that it's just pressed
on, or a little LS or Diluent is added as a bonding agent.  Jody???

I can't remember if it's been mentioned before, but I guess you might be able
to get a curved LS transfer for pressing later onto a curved surface (like an
egg?) if you created the LS transfer on a curved surface (or will it be too
runny?).  I know you can't bend it after transferring because it will stretch
the image, but would this work???

Diane B.

 
 
 

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Post by DABla » Fri, 23 Oct 1998 04:00:00


I've erased the post, but someone was complaining about bubbles in their LS
transfers.  I have a few things in my files which may help:

First, Jody Bishel says to be careful and not shake the bottle (but stir like
varnish) to avoid incorporating bubbles.


I've had air bubbles also occur, but it IS from the L.S., contrary to logic.  
There are two ways air bubbles form in the L.S.; one is from the method used in
pressing the transfer down into the L.S. -- I start from the center of the
transfer and GENTLY press in a circular pattern outward toward the edges of the
transfer.  If you press to hard in one area than another, you can trap an air
bubble into place.      
The other way air bubbles get into the L.S.:  they are just an intrinsic part
of the L.S.!!  I know it sounds odd, but it's true!  Try a plain sample of L.S.
-- apply a layer of it directly onto a ceramic tile.  Let it sit for 10 or 15
minutes, then come back and look at it -- you will see minute air bubbles
which magically appear, even though they didn't seem to be there when you
applied the L.S.!!  The way I get around this is that I let the L.S. layer
"rest" for 20 minutes or so  BEFORE I apply the transfer.  This allows the air
bubbles to rise to the surface and "pop" BEFORE I apply the transfer, rather
than after the transfer is already in place and trapping them there.  Then, I
carefully press the transfer into the L.S. using that "circular" method.
Finally, I let the L.S./transfer rest an additional 30 minutes before I bake --
but be SURE you don't shift or move the transfer, or it will come out a blur!
Bake as usual.

Hope these help.
Diane B.

 
 
 

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Post by Polycla » Fri, 23 Oct 1998 04:00:00


any form of 'lazer printer' copies wether b/w or color work well.
The reason is that you will be remelting the in (this is how it is done on the
paper),

Lysle

 
 
 

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Post by Otterfi » Sat, 24 Oct 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
>I can't remember if it's been mentioned before, but I guess you might be able
>to get a curved LS transfer for pressing later onto a curved surface (like an
>egg?) if you created the LS transfer on a curved surface (or will it be too
>runny?).  I know you can't bend it after transferring because it will stretch
>the image, but would this work???

OMG daine, you just sort of answered my question...i have been trying to figure
out a way to ge an image on a stupid christmas glass ornament...BUT now i am
out of pictures to try...LOL...THANKS so much!!!!!
 
 
 

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Post by Patti Kiml » Sat, 24 Oct 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

> OMG daine, you just sort of answered my question...i have been trying to figure
> out a way to ge an image on a stupid christmas glass ornament...BUT now i am
> out of pictures to try...LOL...THANKS so much!!!!!

  I've found with LS transfers that you can really only wrap in one dimension.
I've put strips around the center of the egg and had no problem.  But don't try to
stretch it and get it to *conform* to the surface both vertically and
horizontally.  It seems to stretch and work while you apply it, but it will develop
many vertical cracks during baking.  I fill in the space *behind* the vertical tube
of the transfer strip with more clay (liquid or regular).  If your transfer is very
thin and not too tall in comparison to the dimension of the spherical shape you're
putting it on, you won't get too much distortion of shape.  Hope this makes sense.
You can see my White House egg on my website for an example....

Patti
 http://www.kimledesigns.com

 
 
 

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Post by Nbown » Sun, 25 Oct 1998 04:00:00


I recently tried using a laser copy to transfer an i mage onto white fimo. The
image came out very light. I then used tee-shirt transfer paper in my ink jet
printer and came out with some wonderful copies. Just be sure to burnish the
image well onto the clay before baking. I learned this from the posting at
delphi Polymer clay.
Nancy
 
 
 

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Post by Pauline Botelh » Sun, 25 Oct 1998 04:00:00


Dawn, I can't figure out what you are doing wrong.  First, I don't think you
can transfer InkJet images UNLESS they are printed on T-shirt transfer
paper.  (I think you might be able to lift them off acetate sheets also, but
haven't tried that yet).

Second---try brushing the LS on a piece of glass or ceramic tile.  Then cut
out an image from a magazine or color catalog.  Place the image face down on
the LS--gently wipe with piece of foam (or one of those foam makeup sponges)
wiping in same direction to eliminate any bubbles.  Then bake at 265 for 15
minutes.  When you take the glass/ceramic tile out you usually can remove
paper while warm (remember to leave your self a little pull tab on the
paper).  If you wait until it is cool, you may have to scrub the paper off
under water.  You should have a super thin sheet of LS baked with perfect
image transfer.  Then you can bake this image onto unbaked clay by painting
thin coat of LS in between unbaked clay and baked LS w/image.  LS acts like
a glue, or you can use Sculpey Diluent.

The image sheet after baked is so thin, you can actually wrap it around
curved surfaces, etc.

I think you may be having problems because you are using unbaked clay under
the LS for the image transfer and somehow the LS is not smooth enough, but I
can't be sure.
Pauline