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Post by LynnDe » Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:00:00



Caveat:  I referred to the e-Bay listings referred to by the original
overcritical poster, and, just to make myself perfectly clear, I am
not in agreement with what he said -- and can't be, because I am not a
frequenter of e-Bay and cannot give an informed opinion.  Even if I
did agree on the quality of what is listed, my conclusion would be
different.

I don't think any one person's criticism should keep anyone from
trying to sell whatever they have, no matter how much experience they
have, and  in whatever venue.  You like it, you bid.  You don't like
it, you don't.  Isn't that what a free market is all about?

(Why did I ever respond to this anyway?  Where is that wet noodle?  I
need to give myself a few lashings with it.)

LynnDel

 
 
 

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Post by adrienne » Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:00:00


I will look forward to seeing your simpler stuff. I have an alert
for any polymer clay that is posted on yahoo auctions on my
email. So, trust me I will see it. I actually saw yours the fisrt
days they were posted, but reviewed them before I opened my
mouth. I didn't want to say anything about our email-less lurker,
but I do believe that he should be willing to put up his work to
the entire group, after saying such useless things. Anyway, I
will endevour to search my archives of photos (have sold a bit on
ebay though not recently--so some of what I post will already
belong to others) and get it on my photopoint site within the
week, so as to not be a critic who won't let others critique me.

BTW, I thought I would note that your beads are very good
beginner beads (should have done this in the first posting) and
to keep working in that direction. I especially liked the
square/diamond beads. As you guessed, my critique was directed at
the entire presentation. I am wondering when you started working
with clay, if you would volunteer that info.

What can I say, I'm feeling rather verbose this evening too. (and
I don't have a PHD as an excuse)

Take care,

Adrienne

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Post by phr.. » Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:00:00


Thank you adrienne (no need to duck the shrapnel from my side...I
detest flamewars).

I make what I like, and what has been well-received in the past.
(Usually with an "OOH!  Wow!  Did you make that?  Will you make me
one?", which never fails to give me a warm fuzzy...)

Regrettably, I haven't had the time (or the nerve) to put some of my
"blander" (read: simpler, not as colorful) works up for auction. I
usually tend to stick with darker hues and silver tones, and wanted to
catch the eye, which judging from the number of pageviews I've gotten, I
have done successfully...if not the pocketbook *grin*.  Perhaps you've
hit upon the problem (thanks!)

This was primarily an experiment.  I'm new to the online auction game,
and relatively new to the polymer clay game.  As I've said in other
posts, beadwork is not a new thing to me, and I've developed a certain
technique (which of course not everyone likes...but I do! ;)

Believe me, I'm made of sterner stuff than someone who would be fatally
injured by the obviously ill-conceived and maybe self-serving opinions
of a total stranger.  I'll admit it stung, even irritated (the spouse
wanted to toss flames but I have more restraint).

I appreciate your (constructive) criticism.  I look forward to seeing
your work.  Thank you for volunteering useful input...I'll take your
suggestion to heart, and perhaps you'll see something more along your
tastes in the future (should you choose to look).

I didn't mean this to become so very verbose (it's the phd-geek in me I
guess).  Ah well.

-phrena



Quote:
> Let's see, how can I tactfully put my 2 cents in without sounding
> mean and getting blasted from either side of the aisle.

> Phrena, you've made a good start and if people like your work,
> don't let anything I or anyone else says deter you from creating.
> The key is do what you like and buyers will come. Considering
> your other elements, your prices are reasonable. I will admit
> that I personally think they are too busy and would not wear them
>  for that reason. That being said, I should explain that most of
> my work uses 3 colors or less and shades or tints thereof and
> when I use more in a cane, I use less in beading.I guess what i'm
> trying to say is that I see a need to pull the elements together
> into a cohesive whole. The concept is the same as when one works
> on a document for publishing...you can have many beautiful fonts
> and graphics, but too much is still busy and overall not
> pleasing. Not having any work up at this point I can't tell you
> to take a look, but when I finally get it together, I promise to
> post the addy so that all who think i'm too harsh can tear it
> apart.

> Varda, your work is truly wonderful...I expect that one can be
> truthful without tearing a person down. Jeanne, all I can say is
> amen.

> Adrienne

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Post by phr.. » Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:00:00


Adrienne,

Thanks! I started four months ago, and believe me for the first couple
of weeks things were U-G-L-Y (and I gave them to my nieces)!

On a more practical note, do you have a feel for whether Ebay or Yahoo
is better for polyclay (in general) sales?  I've seen lots on both, but
have a hard time figuring out where it sells better....

-phrena

Quote:

> BTW, I thought I would note that your beads are very good
> beginner beads (should have done this in the first posting) and
> to keep working in that direction. I especially liked the
> square/diamond beads. As you guessed, my critique was directed at
> the entire presentation. I am wondering when you started working
> with clay, if you would volunteer that info.

> What can I say, I'm feeling rather verbose this evening too. (and
> I don't have a PHD as an excuse)

> Take care,

> Adrienne

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Post by lgee » Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:00:00


You know, I save all my polymer rejects/failed experiments in a large
jar.  (And believe me, I create a lot of rejects!)  Once I've
accumulated a goodly amount of them, I usually toss in some
inexpensive beads or findings (non polymer stuff) and find a deserving
child who would like to have them.  Kids very happy to have them and
aren't as critical.   AND, if they're young enough, they'll never
going around saying who actually made the beads <VBG>.  

Linda Geer

Seattle, WA  USA

Quote:

> Adrienne,

> Thanks! I started four months ago, and believe me for the first couple
> of weeks things were U-G-L-Y (and I gave them to my nieces)!

 
 
 

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Post by Narigo » Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:00:00


We are all beginners at some point in time. I don't go to ebay, but I've been
in a number of swaps and I've seen a whole range of experience and talent. I
appreciate all of it, to tell the truth. I hope we're here to support each
polymer clay artist where she or he is, not to compare each other despite our
differing levels of ability. It's difficult to share ourselves and our
creations with a large group of relative strangers. We hope for encouragement
and constructive criticism, if criticism is needed at all. I prefer suggestions
myself.

I think we're best when we don't judge each other, but instead lift each other
up with the support we'd like to receive ourselves. We're all growing in our
art and it's not good karma to stifle another's creativity and development with
derogatory comments.

Carol

 
 
 

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Post by diffe » Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:00:00


Phrena-
    You obviously are a patient, KIND, respectful, creative and strong
person!  Unlike the person who posted with such UNKIND words!  With such
boast I would love to see work from him, then we shall throw stones in
glass houses?!?!?  I'm a lurker who reads and never posts but I sure tell
you, the response he posted as his first certainly made a GREAT impression
(sarcastic, of course!)    The world we live in today, huh?  -TD

 
 
 

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Post by julie leir-van sick » Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:00:00


Adrienne...You can critique me any day, you did it so kindly--and with
useful suggestions instead of name calling.  

I didn't get a real close look at your stuff Phrena.  (I read this group
from across the room on a webtv while nursing my son.)  But I'm glad you
aren't taking a meanie to heart!  I think the quote in my signature is
relevant here!

In my opinion, and from what I've learned in dance and theatre worlds,
good critques include:  Something positive (like Adrienne's mention of
the beads, something specific to work on  (unifying the whole),  and a
woed or two of encouragement.  And of course if it is your work being
critiqued (NOT criticised--which is what Max did IMO)  you must keep in
mind that is the opinion of just one person.  I was nervous at first
about posting my work, but in a few days I realized this was such a kind
group that I had nothing to fear.  And because I don't know any fellow
clayers in this area, I had much to gain by opening myself up to
suggestions.  I would consider critiques fron this group as help. (I'm
already planning on trying putting one of my pieces on a lighter
background to see if it helps the visibility any.)

Julie

"There is a vitality, a life-force, an energy, a quickening that is
translated through you into action.  And because there is only one of
you in all time, this expression is unique.  And if you block it, it
will never exsist through any other medium and be lost.  ........Above
all else, keep the channel open!" --Martha Graham
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Post by adrienne » Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:00:00


Four months? Very good...I think you will do great...I don't want
to talk about my first 4 months (I use to do t-shirts with my own
designs on them and 2 months after I started I did a show with
the tshirts and slices of cane as dangles, posts and corded on
neclaces--what was I thinking?).

I have never posted auctions on Yahoo because it confused
me...there aren't a whole lot of clay listings there yet. It's
advantage is that it's free (or was); I'll try it when I can sell
again. Ebay has been very good for me though I haven't had
anything posted since March...I haven't even visited the polymer
clay listings because it depresses me. The key there is to get
positive feedback...the more the better. Even with good service,
not everyone will leave feedback, but good service helps. You can
also get your beginning feedback by being a buyer and pay
promptly.

My final piece of advice for today is check out everything you
can find claywise online and see what works and what doesn't.

Adrienne

Ps. Julie, thanks for the compliment.

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Post by Jeann » Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:00:00



Quote:
> We are all beginners at some point in time. I don't go to ebay, but I've
been
> in a number of swaps and I've seen a whole range of experience and talent.
I
> appreciate all of it, to tell the truth. I hope we're here to support each
> polymer clay artist where she or he is, not to compare each other despite
our
> differing levels of ability. It's difficult to share ourselves and our
> creations with a large group of relative strangers. We hope for
encouragement
> and constructive criticism, if criticism is needed at all. I prefer
suggestions
> myself.

> I think we're best when we don't judge each other, but instead lift each
other
> up with the support we'd like to receive ourselves. We're all growing in
our
> art and it's not good karma to stifle another's creativity and development
with
> derogatory comments.

> Carol

APPLAUSE APPLAUSE
jeanne
 
 
 

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Post by Miracle >^,, » Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:00:00


    Oh my. I may have started this newest schmozzle.

    Yah, it's Miracle, back after being encouraged to do so,
even tho I said I wouldn't be. More about that in a minute.

    I originally posted the comments Max is referring to.   :o}

    On June 2, I responded to a post from Wire4Clay2 about
the lack of bids at eBay on some items. This is what I said:
***************************************************
    "I saw that necklace tonight- it's very nice!   :o)
    In fact, I saw all *7 pages* of listings for "polymer clay"
tonight!! Out of curiosity, since I've been reading y'alls discussion,
I simply searched eBay for "polymer clay" and got almost 400 items.
    Mercy, what an assortment!! From the exquisitely beautiful to
the exquisitely ugly. I wouldn't single anyone out for comment, but
it's pretty obvious there are also a few Suzie Homemakers out there
who think their creations are the cat's meow, when in reality their
stuff is better suited for their next yard sale."
************************************************************
    I REALLY hope Max was only referring to my comments- I hope
he clarifies. And I'd like to add that the ugly stuff I saw was NOT made
by anyone in here- and "ugly" was MY opinion only!!

    Now, what I'd like to say to everyone is that being a veteran Usenet
poster, I am used to flame wars, trolls, and all the other assorted problems
and peculiarities associated with it. In fact, I've been a *** girl more
than once or twice myself, fussing with folks over politics and such in
other
groups. I still have an ongoing war with one troll in another group.   :o{

    BUT, this was the one group out of the many I read that always was
up-tempo, and a place to treasure. I hadn't seen any flames in here, no
fights, barely any disagreements, and I'm so in love with this clay that
this
group was my resource for all manner of clay-related stuff. Still is.   :o)

    I hope y'all will understand that was why I was so upset and left in a
huff.
    A similar war had just finished in another group dear to my heart, and I
found out some of the people I respected were, sadly, very bigoted and
unkind.
    I was afraid that would repeat itself here, and I just think this group
is
such an asset, that it would be MORE than a shame to let disagreements
spoil it.

    I'm hopping off my soapbox now, and I want to tell you all I'm sticking
around- there are just too many lovely and talented folks in here for me
to give up. I'll try to be a grownup, and if someone feels the need to let
fly
at someone else, I'll just ignore it.

    I finally got brave enough to put some not-so-good pictures up on a web
page to show my friends, and I will now bare my soul and show y'all my first
"accomplishments" with polymer clay. Brace yourselves- the photos are too
dark in most cases, and my stuff can best be described as "fugly".  <giggle>
    But I'm having a ball, and I'm getting better, thanks to the folks in
this
group. I promise I'll put up new photos soon.   :o}  And y'all can finally
see
that rainbow cane I was talking about.....that never did get reduced as
small
as I'd like.....

http://www.FoundCollection.com/

Love to all,
Miracle

 
 
 

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Post by lgee » Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:00:00


Here's a sick thought.  Could Max's last name be "Boone"?

Phrena, keep up your good work.  I like what I've seen so far (oops,
just typed "phar" LOL!) and see you going in great directions!

Linda Geer

Quote:

> Max,

> I was going to take the high road on this (see my previous reply) but I
> took another look at your post.  I can understand if you don't LIKE what
> I've done (again, I don't claim to be an artist, merely a newbie) but
> was it truly necessary to call it "ugly" and put it down as no better
> than a sleep-walker's craftings with scrap?  I bow to your greater
> experience, and if you have constructive suggestions (such as where you
> think I went wrong) I'd love to hear them.  I'd love to see your
> work...I'm sure it's much better than mine!

> If you've been reading posts for as long as you say, then you know that
> I'm far from the first person to post about their wares...what was it
> about me that finally broke the dam so that I got the pleasure of being
> blasted?

> -phrena

> > But I've got to say, if people are actually buying that ugly polymer
> > clay stuff
> > you've got in your auctions, than I need to get myself in gear and
> jump
> > into
> > the online selling market! I can make stuff that looks like that with
> my
> > s***
> > clay in my sleep!

> > Sorry guys, I read posts here all the time. I've been a lurker for
> > almost a year,
> > just not big on conversation, but since I'm posting just let me say
> this
> > is a great
> > group. Alot of great tips, tidbits, advice and friendship.

> > I might never post again, but I'll be reading.

> > Max



> > > Thank you! Thank you!

> > > *warm fuzzy* ;)

> > > -phrena



> > > > Hi Phrena!  My oh my...you have wonderful creations there!  I like
> > > > them!  Keep it up!

> > > > Tanya
> > > > -----------------
> > > > > Hi all,

> > > > > I've added a couple of new items to my auction booth on Yahoo!
> > > > Auctions,
> > > > > and more are to follow.  Let me know what you think!

> > > > > http://www.FoundCollection.com/

> > > > > thanks,
> > > > > -phrena

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> > > > > Before you buy.

> > > > --
> > > > the clay to play

> > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.FoundCollection.com/
> > > > Before you buy.

> > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.FoundCollection.com/
> > > Before you buy.

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Post by Sandyjsi » Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:00:00


Phrena,

Just took a look at what you have up for auction.  If you are selling your
items, then that is what is important.  Like another poster here, for me
personally, they are too busy & fussy.  My personal tastes run more to "simple
elegance."   OTOH, my spouse would adore them.  His tastes run more towards the
bright colors than mine do.

Bottom line, some one out there obviously likes your work and that is all that
matters.

Sandy Sims

 
 
 

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Post by adrienne » Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:00:00


Phrena, just got my yahoo update for your new items...very nice.
IMO, simpler...definitely like those earrings. Now if I weren't
on such a tight budget.

Adrienne

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