Supporting each other

Supporting each other

Post by Irish Re » Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:00:00



  All of us have made valid points about what is constructive criticism
and what is just plain mean. There are many things I made when I first
started that I was very proud of, but looking back, I wouldn't want to
show anyone.

  In learning techniques and color, what darkens during baking and
consistency of the different clays, we MUST have less than perfect
results or we learn nothing. If everything was a success, where is the
incentive to learn?

  I have several canes in my s***heap that qualify for an ugly cane
contest, but I learned something from every one of them. I have baked
representative slices from all of them so I can look back to see what
did or didn't work. Especially things like contrast and how something
will look when reduced.

  Nothing is to be gained by *** or rude comments except for hurting
others' feelings and only people who have to build their own egos by
making someone else look small need to do this.

  Every time one of us puts something up to share, we risk our egos, and
we have the right to be proud of what we have created. As a newbie (I
started March 2000), I am insecure when I show something I've made
because we have a lot of talent in our guild. They wouldn't think of
being unkind and many times have given me confidence in what I am trying
to do.

  There is a big difference in "that is ugly" and "This is nice, but
maybe if you tried...". Try to put yourself in the others' place when
you say something.

  Off of soapbox for now.

  Kim
  (Clays well with others)

 
 
 

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Post by Jenn » Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:00:00


I totally agree with you Kim!
What we do is art and how can anyone judge art??  We all have a little
technics in the work we do!  I could do the same project that you have
made and i bet mine will be different than yours!!
Just because someone says its "Ugly" does really mean it is!!  They
just say it to make themselves look better!  I could never say anyones
work was ugly!  It is all unique just as we are!  Now if i want to
critize my own work...well that is a different story!
happy claying,
Jenny

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Post by Lori Dixo » Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:00:00


You know, one of the biggest humps I'm having to get over is selling my art.
When I believe in something of someone else's I could sell it like crazy!
But when it comes to my own art, it is so personal that the thought of
rejection is a fear that is so deep, that it's almost not even real....like
there's this hidden force that keeps me from getting out there and selling
rather than the fear in ME.  I don't know if that makes any sense, and hope
that I'm not being too melodramatic.  :)  I know I would have been mortified
to have someone tell me my stuff it outright ugly (went through enough of
that in art school!!!) and still working on getting past that sensitivity!

Anyway, like you said....we all start somewhere, and yeah, in the beginning
we can make some pretty ugly stuff!  But at the time it feels great and
we're proud of ourselves because we didn't even know we had the ability to
execute a technique...ugly or not!  Shoot, even after doing it for a while I
come up with some pretty ugly stuff.  But how do you think people get good?
Just like you said...by learning from past projects.

I admire the confidence and belief in self that those who post their early
works have!  Not to mention selling them!  So, keep it up...I always tell
myself that someday my early, icky pieces will be collectors items.  LOL.

On another note...I don't believe Max was referring to anyone in particular,
he just happened to reply to a post rather than starting a new thread.  And
to be honest, I think many of us have shared similar reactions to what we've
seen on ebay...just as many have at shows...."Heck, I could make that!",  "I
could make that even BETTER!" and "I can't believe they get money for that!
I should be...."  Well, to myself and to others saying that....put up or
shut up.  People out there selling it are DOING IT!!!  Are we?

Ok, enough, enough....rambling here.

Just my buck fifty worth.

**lori


Quote:

>   All of us have made valid points about what is constructive criticism
> and what is just plain mean. There are many things I made when I first
> started that I was very proud of, but looking back, I wouldn't want to
> show anyone.

>   In learning techniques and color, what darkens during baking and
> consistency of the different clays, we MUST have less than perfect
> results or we learn nothing. If everything was a success, where is the
> incentive to learn?

>   I have several canes in my s***heap that qualify for an ugly cane
> contest, but I learned something from every one of them. I have baked
> representative slices from all of them so I can look back to see what
> did or didn't work. Especially things like contrast and how something
> will look when reduced.

>   Nothing is to be gained by *** or rude comments except for hurting
> others' feelings and only people who have to build their own egos by
> making someone else look small need to do this.

>   Every time one of us puts something up to share, we risk our egos, and
> we have the right to be proud of what we have created. As a newbie (I
> started March 2000), I am insecure when I show something I've made
> because we have a lot of talent in our guild. They wouldn't think of
> being unkind and many times have given me confidence in what I am trying
> to do.

>   There is a big difference in "that is ugly" and "This is nice, but
> maybe if you tried...". Try to put yourself in the others' place when
> you say something.

>   Off of soapbox for now.

>   Kim
>   (Clays well with others)

 
 
 

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Post by phr.. » Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:00:00


Lori,

You're probably right, it's unlikely Max even took the time to look at
my (admittedly amateur) stuff.  So, it's likely that my ego was
slightly bruised unnecessarily.

I get the biggest warm fuzzies from people who see the jewelry I wear (I
am my own best adverti***t, and I hang lots of it off my spouse too)
and openly admire it.  While it isn't monetary, it is reinforcement.  I
finally listened to those people and have sold items in local gift
stores, and decided to try the "big time" ;)  Now I have new ideas of
how to improve, thanks to this group's input.

While it was somewhat embarassing to have a post I made be near the
center of a controversy (and I thank all those who have given me
CONSTRUCTIVE criticism) this has at least made me more likely to put
stuff online.  If only to get honest, experienced input.  I have no
access to real, live clayers around here, and I'll take advice where I
can get it :)

-phrena

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Post by Sjpolycl » Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:00:00


Quote:
>I know I would have been mortified
>to have someone tell me my stuff it outright ugly (went through enough of
>that in art school!!!)

Every time I show my dolls, people come to the booth and many--at least 75
percent who comment--say that they are "ugly". Especially dolls like BonBon
Bertie, or her sister Madame, or any of the other dolls who represent women who
are NOT prepubescent, rail thin, or blonde. I just don't DO "cute".  
I make buxom, older, salaciously-enjoying life-type dolls, and I get the
biggest kick out of looking the "ugly" sayers right in the eye and saying "
Thank you!" because it disconcerts them so!!
Try it! it's fun!

Sarajane Helm

Sarajane's Polymer Clay Gallery
www.polyclay.com

 
 
 

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Post by Lori Dixo » Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:00:00


Hi Jody.

Thanks!  And, would you believe that I have had it since the early 90s and
haven't read it???  Didn't know it went into all of that....thought it was
more along the lines of un(b)locking creativity.  Gonna start checking it
out again, tonight!

Just goes to show you, no matter how many times something is brought up on
the list, you always get some fresh eyes for it!

**lori
ebay auctions at:
http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=uniq...


Quote:
> Hi Lori,
>    I know that this has come up here many times but if you haven't heard
of a
> book called The Artist's Way by Julia Cameron, you might want to check it
out.
> A friend of mine pointed me to it and I'll always be grateful to him for
it. It
> is a course of reading and excercises to get you in touch with your
deepest
> beliefs and feelings. It can be a bumpy ride but well worth it in the long
run.
> She has come out with more books since the AW, but that's still a good
place to
> start.

> <<
> You know, one of the biggest humps I'm having to get over is selling my
art.
> When I believe in something of someone else's I could sell it like crazy!
> But when it comes to my own art, it is so personal that the thought of
> rejection is a fear that is so deep, that it's almost not even
real....like
> there's this hidden force that keeps me from getting out there and selling
> rather than the fear in ME. >>

> Jody Bishel

 
 
 

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Post by adrienne » Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:00:00


I saw that in the bookstore back at mother's day and told my
husband I'd like to get it...haven't though. It did look very
good.

Adrienne

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Post by J Bish » Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:00:00


Hi Lori,
   I know that this has come up here many times but if you haven't heard of a
book called The Artist's Way by Julia Cameron, you might want to check it out.
A friend of mine pointed me to it and I'll always be grateful to him for it. It
is a course of reading and excercises to get you in touch with your deepest
beliefs and feelings. It can be a bumpy ride but well worth it in the long run.
She has come out with more books since the AW, but that's still a good place to
start.

<<
You know, one of the biggest humps I'm having to get over is selling my art.
When I believe in something of someone else's I could sell it like crazy!
But when it comes to my own art, it is so personal that the thought of
rejection is a fear that is so deep, that it's almost not even real....like
there's this hidden force that keeps me from getting out there and selling
rather than the fear in ME. >>

Jody Bishel