Mr Colour Paints - "Cobwebbing"?

Mr Colour Paints - "Cobwebbing"?

Post by Tuxedo Mik » Thu, 03 Oct 2002 00:41:36



Weird thing that happens with Gunze Paints that I've not noticed with their
acrylic counterparts - When you spray multiple items near each other,
anything that you're not directly spraying at gets covered in a mass of fine
strands like cobwebs...

Anyone else had this happen?

Mike

 
 
 

Mr Colour Paints - "Cobwebbing"?

Post by Futari- » Thu, 03 Oct 2002 05:07:57


Quote:

>Weird thing that happens with Gunze Paints that I've not noticed with their
>acrylic counterparts - When you spray multiple items near each other,
>anything that you're not directly spraying at gets covered in a mass of fine
>strands like cobwebs...

>Anyone else had this happen?

>Mike

I've not had it happen to me, but what's happening is that your paint is
drying before it hits the model. Might want to try and get some
retarder. That should clear up the "web" of confusion.

:-P

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Mr Colour Paints - "Cobwebbing"?

Post by Tuxedo Mik » Thu, 03 Oct 2002 05:27:14



Quote:
> I've not had it happen to me, but what's happening is that your paint is
> drying before it hits the model. Might want to try and get some
> retarder. That should clear up the "web" of confusion.

The funny thing is I just bought a litre of the stuff.  It's not drying as
it hits the part I'm actively spraying, just the surrounding bits.  I can
sort it out easilly enough by spraying each part away from everything else
I'm doing at the same time.

Quote:
> Yea, I know it's a bad joke. So sue me...

Don't tempt me...

Mike

 
 
 

Mr Colour Paints - "Cobwebbing"?

Post by Mark Wilso » Thu, 03 Oct 2002 08:50:26


On Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:27:14 +0100, "Tuxedo Mike"

Quote:



>> I've not had it happen to me, but what's happening is that your paint is
>> drying before it hits the model. Might want to try and get some
>> retarder. That should clear up the "web" of confusion.

>The funny thing is I just bought a litre of the stuff.  It's not drying as
>it hits the part I'm actively spraying, just the surrounding bits.  I can
>sort it out easilly enough by spraying each part away from everything else
>I'm doing at the same time.

You bought a litre of retarder or paint?  The only times I had
cobwebbing is when the paint wasn't thinned AND retarded enough.

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Mr Colour Paints - "Cobwebbing"?

Post by Tuxedo Mik » Thu, 03 Oct 2002 09:19:16



Quote:
> >The funny thing is I just bought a litre of the stuff.  It's not drying
as
> >it hits the part I'm actively spraying, just the surrounding bits.  I can
> >sort it out easilly enough by spraying each part away from everything
else
> >I'm doing at the same time.
> You bought a litre of retarder or paint?  The only times I had
> cobwebbing is when the paint wasn't thinned AND retarded enough.

Litre of retarder.  I'll experiment a bit more with ratios once i've picked
up some more Gunze paints from Moschini's...

Mike

 
 
 

Mr Colour Paints - "Cobwebbing"?

Post by Hiroaki Fuku » Thu, 03 Oct 2002 09:33:30


Quote:

> Weird thing that happens with Gunze Paints that I've not noticed with their
> acrylic counterparts - When you spray multiple items near each other,
> anything that you're not directly spraying at gets covered in a mass of fine
> strands like cobwebs...

> Anyone else had this happen?

> Mike

Simply, the paint is a little too thick.

Hiro

 
 
 

Mr Colour Paints - "Cobwebbing"?

Post by Giuliano Moschin » Thu, 03 Oct 2002 13:25:26


I was gonna say, where'd you find a litre of retarder?

Is it actual Gunze stuff?

Or did you find some Mr. Retarder Mild...

'Cause, like, a litre of that stuff in 40ml bottles is about 25 bottles...

-Giuliano

Quote:

> Litre of retarder.  I'll experiment a bit more with ratios once i've picked
> up some more Gunze paints from Moschini's...

> Mike

 
 
 

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Post by Tuxedo Mik » Thu, 03 Oct 2002 15:32:28



Quote:
> I was gonna say, where'd you find a litre of retarder?

At a place in my town called "Moschetti's".

Quote:
> Is it actual Gunze stuff?

Nah, it's auto retarder.  Comes with enough warnings on the side to suggest
it's "evil fluid of DEATH(TM)"...

Quote:
> Or did you find some Mr. Retarder Mild...
> 'Cause, like, a litre of that stuff in 40ml bottles is about 25 bottles...

Like I said, Auto "slow thinners".  It /definately/ works on Gunze paints,
as they previously dried up in my airbrush before I was done spraying.  I
guess I just need to adjust the ratio some.

Mike

 
 
 

Mr Colour Paints - "Cobwebbing"?

Post by Ma » Thu, 03 Oct 2002 16:47:44


Quote:

> Weird thing that happens with Gunze Paints that I've not noticed with their
> acrylic counterparts - When you spray multiple items near each other,
> anything that you're not directly spraying at gets covered in a mass of fine
> strands like cobwebs...

> Anyone else had this happen?

> Mike

Yes, it happened to me when I sprayed Mr Surfacer 1000 with my Paasche
airbrush. I have no solution for the problem and I have not tried to
use Mr Surfacer since then. Any input is welcome.

Ciao,

Max

 
 
 

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Post by Mark Wilso » Thu, 03 Oct 2002 19:38:21


Another type of automotive thinner to look for is a "medium" or "hot"
temperature thinner.  The higher the temperature the thinner is rated,
the less volatile it is.  The cold stuff will evaporate at one rate in
cold weather, but evaporate much faster at room temp.  The medium and
hot stuff evaporate more slowly at higher temperatures, giving the
auto body guys the same working time regardless of outside temp as
long as they pick the right thinner for the temperature.

BUT, how much did you pay for the "retarder"?  Last time I checked, a
litre of retarder costs about $25.  A "slow thinner" is not the same
thing--thinners, even the longer working time ones, will buy you
seconds.  A real retarder buys you minutes (and it doesn't take much
retarder to get that effect).

On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 07:32:28 +0100, "Tuxedo Mike"

Quote:



>> I was gonna say, where'd you find a litre of retarder?

>At a place in my town called "Moschetti's".

>> Is it actual Gunze stuff?

>Nah, it's auto retarder.  Comes with enough warnings on the side to suggest
>it's "evil fluid of DEATH(TM)"...

>> Or did you find some Mr. Retarder Mild...
>> 'Cause, like, a litre of that stuff in 40ml bottles is about 25 bottles...

>Like I said, Auto "slow thinners".  It /definately/ works on Gunze paints,
>as they previously dried up in my airbrush before I was done spraying.  I
>guess I just need to adjust the ratio some.

>Mike

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Mr Colour Paints - "Cobwebbing"?

Post by Hiroaki Fukud » Thu, 03 Oct 2002 22:24:47


Quote:


> > Weird thing that happens with Gunze Paints that I've not noticed with their
> > acrylic counterparts - When you spray multiple items near each other,
> > anything that you're not directly spraying at gets covered in a mass of fine
> > strands like cobwebs...

> > Anyone else had this happen?

> > Mike

> Yes, it happened to me when I sprayed Mr Surfacer 1000 with my Paasche
> airbrush. I have no solution for the problem and I have not tried to
> use Mr Surfacer since then. Any input is welcome.

> Ciao,

> Max

Thin it with Mr. Thinner or compatible product.

BTW, is it just Japanese, who usually think that paint or primer is
supposed to be thinned?  'Cause we don't have that many airbrush ready
product, as opposed to Testor or Alclad, that are U.S. product.

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Post by Giuliano Moschin » Thu, 03 Oct 2002 23:11:25


Quote:



> > I was gonna say, where'd you find a litre of retarder?

> At a place in my town called "Moschetti's".

You're kidding.. No, there's no relation. ;-)

Quote:
> > Is it actual Gunze stuff?

> Nah, it's auto retarder.  Comes with enough warnings on the side to suggest
> it's "evil fluid of DEATH(TM)"...

Got any brand names and/or part numbers for that auto retarder?

I haven't been able to find any here in the states.. thinner, yes.. retarder, no.

Quote:
> > Or did you find some Mr. Retarder Mild...
> > 'Cause, like, a litre of that stuff in 40ml bottles is about 25 bottles...

> Like I said, Auto "slow thinners".  It /definately/ works on Gunze paints,
> as they previously dried up in my airbrush before I was done spraying.  I
> guess I just need to adjust the ratio some.

Must see if I can find retarder in large quantities...

-Giuliano

 
 
 

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Post by Tuxedo Mik » Fri, 04 Oct 2002 01:34:38


gonna say, where'd you find a litre of retarder?

Quote:
> > At a place in my town called "Moschetti's".
> You're kidding.. No, there's no relation. ;-)

I'm serious,  but I'd guessed already.  There's no corresponding restaurant.
;)

Quote:
> > > Is it actual Gunze stuff?
> > Nah, it's auto retarder.  Comes with enough warnings on the side to
suggest
> > it's "evil fluid of DEATH(TM)"...
> Got any brand names and/or part numbers for that auto retarder?

"Lechler coatings Lechleroid, 00 551"

Quote:
> I haven't been able to find any here in the states.. thinner, yes..

retarder, no.

Well, it's what I got when I asked for retarder, and it makes a noticable
difference.  I'm pretty happy. :)

Quote:
> > > Or did you find some Mr. Retarder Mild...
> > > 'Cause, like, a litre of that stuff in 40ml bottles is about 25
bottles...
> > Like I said, Auto "slow thinners".  It /definately/ works on Gunze
paints,
> > as they previously dried up in my airbrush before I was done spraying.
I
> > guess I just need to adjust the ratio some.
> Must see if I can find retarder in large quantities...

Well in all seriousness I'd be amazed if auto retarder came much smaller.

Mike

 
 
 

Mr Colour Paints - "Cobwebbing"?

Post by Tuxedo Mik » Fri, 04 Oct 2002 01:36:06



Quote:
> Another type of automotive thinner to look for is a "medium" or "hot"
> temperature thinner.  The higher the temperature the thinner is rated,
> the less volatile it is.  The cold stuff will evaporate at one rate in
> cold weather, but evaporate much faster at room temp.  The medium and
> hot stuff evaporate more slowly at higher temperatures, giving the
> auto body guys the same working time regardless of outside temp as
> long as they pick the right thinner for the temperature.

Hmm..  I'll bear that in mind if I ever run out of this. :)

Quote:
> BUT, how much did you pay for the "retarder"?  Last time I checked, a
> litre of retarder costs about $25.  A "slow thinner" is not the same
> thing--thinners, even the longer working time ones, will buy you
> seconds.  A real retarder buys you minutes (and it doesn't take much
> retarder to get that effect).

I paid maybe...  $14 US?  And I daresay it is retarder rather than slow
thinner, simply because of how well it's seemed to work after adding a
little more. :)
No more cobwebs for me.

Mike

 
 
 

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Post by cat » Fri, 04 Oct 2002 01:44:54



miaoued:

Quote:
>BTW, is it just Japanese, who usually think that paint or primer is
>supposed to be thinned?  'Cause we don't have that many airbrush ready
>product, as opposed to Testor or Alclad, that are U.S. product.

        No. The vast majority of paint worldwide requires thinning to
be sprayed. There are but a few pre thinned paints and those are
mostly in the hobby community.

                                                                cat