Why not post what you are paying???

Why not post what you are paying???

Post by Winston Har » Sun, 02 Jan 2000 04:00:00



I am not sure if anyone agrees with me or not.But I wish that people
who are buying cards would just post what they are paying.It is kind of a waste of time
to email someone.Leave them a long list,only to find out that they are only paying 10%.I
know for myself I will not sell anything for 10%.I have more sadisfaction in donating
that stuff to the local junior programs that my children are involved in.But it is
everyones right to pay or sell at what ever they want.Just wish that if you are buying
than let everyone know what you are paying than we can decide weather or not we are
willing to sell for what you are offering.Then there are those who post who
saying.Buying all"WHATEVER".You email them and they then tell you that they are only
buying cards #/25 or less or
game used,Rookies that book for more than $100.00 or whatever excuses they use.Why not
just say that from the start.Saves everyone a lot of time.I know myself when I trade I
am only interested in SP basketball rookies of Hill,Garnett,Kidd, or Duncan(#128 only)
or Finest Garnett rookies.I have very few trade offers.I am sure a lot of people have a
great laugh about me wanting some of the hottesy cards in the hobby for inserts or other
rookies.But my point is it saves a lot of people a lot of time.They do not email me if
they are not willing to trade those good cards away.
Finially my last little beef.I am sure that I am no different than each and everyone of
you out there.I like a good deal as well as the next person.But I would like to leave
you with a small example of what I believe is not offering fair prices.1999 SP Authentic
football is without a dought one of the hottest products in this hobby at present
time.You normally get one rookie per box.Ocassionially 2 per box.And I am sure there has
been people who have got more.But as a rule of thumb the rookies are a very tough
pull.With so many rookies in the set and only a handfull being stars(for now).The
chances of pulling one of those stars is really really low.So does anyone think it is
fair to offer someone $2.00 or even $5.00 for the common rookies.If that is all they are
worth to anyone than open the damm boxes yourself and take your own chances at about
$175.00 U.S. a box(I live in Canada so that is why I say U.S.)My goodness at least be
willing to pay 50% of guide.
These are just a few little things that I believe would help this newsgroup out.
I would really like to hear from other traders,sellers,buyers on how they feel about my
comments.I will reply to each and everone who emails me directly.Not to the board.Thank
you for this very long read.Happy New Years to everyone.I hope that your home is filled
with happiness and prosperity in this new year and yes the beginning of a new
century.Thanks,Winston.
 
 
 

Why not post what you are paying???

Post by Joel L Cohe » Sun, 02 Jan 2000 04:00:00


I couldn't agree more.  I am sick of everyone trying to buy at 10 or 15% of
book. Seems to me that when we buy boxes or cards at shows, nobody sells for
10 or 15%.  Example - 99/00 SPx Hockey.
A bigger rip-off hasn't happened yet!  Opened 4 boxes and not one card past
# 154 !!!!!!!!  NO RADIANCE !!!!!!!!! and 1 LOUSY autograph. I'm not crying
to you all, but when you want a card and say that $6.00 is to much for a
numbered rookie, or $10.00 is to much for a #154 Kariya, GET REAL !!!!!!!
I've been a collector/dealer for over 10 years, and I have never seen more
ridiculous offers than we see today. So much so that I don't do shows
anymore, and rarely sell anything on line, because frankly I would rather
give the cards to a childrens hospital than sell at the ABSURD prices that
most people offer. Sorry for the rant, and OH YEA, has anyone got an OPC
Patrick Roy Rookie for under $15.00.


Quote:
> I am not sure if anyone agrees with me or not.But I wish that people
> who are buying cards would just post what they are paying.It is kind of a
waste of time
> to email someone.Leave them a long list,only to find out that they are
only paying 10%.I
> know for myself I will not sell anything for 10%.I have more sadisfaction
in donating
> that stuff to the local junior programs that my children are involved
in.But it is
> everyones right to pay or sell at what ever they want.Just wish that if
you are buying
> than let everyone know what you are paying than we can decide weather or
not we are
> willing to sell for what you are offering.Then there are those who post
who
> saying.Buying all"WHATEVER".You email them and they then tell you that
they are only
> buying cards #/25 or less or
> game used,Rookies that book for more than $100.00 or whatever excuses they
use.Why not
> just say that from the start.Saves everyone a lot of time.I know myself
when I trade I
> am only interested in SP basketball rookies of Hill,Garnett,Kidd, or
Duncan(#128 only)
> or Finest Garnett rookies.I have very few trade offers.I am sure a lot of
people have a
> great laugh about me wanting some of the hottesy cards in the hobby for
inserts or other
> rookies.But my point is it saves a lot of people a lot of time.They do not
email me if
> they are not willing to trade those good cards away.
> Finially my last little beef.I am sure that I am no different than each
and everyone of
> you out there.I like a good deal as well as the next person.But I would
like to leave
> you with a small example of what I believe is not offering fair

prices.1999 SP Authentic

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Quote:
> football is without a dought one of the hottest products in this hobby at
present
> time.You normally get one rookie per box.Ocassionially 2 per box.And I am
sure there has
> been people who have got more.But as a rule of thumb the rookies are a
very tough
> pull.With so many rookies in the set and only a handfull being stars(for
now).The
> chances of pulling one of those stars is really really low.So does anyone
think it is
> fair to offer someone $2.00 or even $5.00 for the common rookies.If that
is all they are
> worth to anyone than open the damm boxes yourself and take your own
chances at about
> $175.00 U.S. a box(I live in Canada so that is why I say U.S.)My goodness
at least be
> willing to pay 50% of guide.
> These are just a few little things that I believe would help this
newsgroup out.
> I would really like to hear from other traders,sellers,buyers on how they
feel about my
> comments.I will reply to each and everone who emails me directly.Not to
the board.Thank
> you for this very long read.Happy New Years to everyone.I hope that your
home is filled
> with happiness and prosperity in this new year and yes the beginning of a
new
> century.Thanks,Winston.


 
 
 

Why not post what you are paying???

Post by Brad Mare » Sun, 02 Jan 2000 04:00:00


I don't necessarily agree with most of this. It makes sense in theory. But
when Book Value is so ridiculously high on many worthless inserts, it breaks
down. Many of these cards that people are buying at 10-20% of BV can be
bought on Ebay for 20-25% of BV or less. And its not worth it to sell on
Ebay for small dollar cards when you factor in Ebay costs and time. I
currently have tons of inserts from opening 28 boxes of 99 Ultimate Victory
baseball that I'd love to sell at 20% of BV. I've offered them individually
at 25% of book and no-one really wants them. This includes all McGwire,
A-rod,Griffey,Nomar,etc. inserts.
I'd love to sell all of it at 15% BV if anyone would take it.
People offer to buy at slightly under the going price so they can make a
profit. I do agree that people should post what they are paying, but this
often varies based on centering, condition, and quantity.

Just my 2 cents.

brad

Quote:


>> I am not sure if anyone agrees with me or not.But I wish that people
>> who are buying cards would just post what they are paying.It is kind of a
waste of time
>> to email someone.Leave them a long list,only to find out that they are
only paying 10%.I
>> know for myself I will not sell anything for 10%.I have more sadisfaction
in donating
>> that stuff to the local junior programs that my children are involved
in.But it is
>> everyones right to pay or sell at what ever they want.Just wish that if
you are buying
>> than let everyone know what you are paying than we can decide weather or
not we are
>> willing to sell for what you are offering.Then there are those who post
who
>> saying.Buying all"WHATEVER".You email them and they then tell you that
they are only
>> buying cards #/25 or less or
>> game used,Rookies that book for more than $100.00 or whatever excuses
they use.Why not
>> just say that from the start.Saves everyone a lot of time.I know myself
when I trade I
>> am only interested in SP basketball rookies of Hill,Garnett,Kidd, or
Duncan(#128 only)
>> or Finest Garnett rookies.I have very few trade offers.I am sure a lot of
people have a
>> great laugh about me wanting some of the hottesy cards in the hobby for
inserts or other
>> rookies.But my point is it saves a lot of people a lot of time.They do
not email me if
>> they are not willing to trade those good cards away.
>> Finially my last little beef.I am sure that I am no different than each
and everyone of
>> you out there.I like a good deal as well as the next person.But I would
like to leave
>> you with a small example of what I believe is not offering fair

prices.1999 SP Authentic

- Show quoted text -

Quote:
>> football is without a dought one of the hottest products in this hobby at
present
>> time.You normally get one rookie per box.Ocassionially 2 per box.And I am
sure there has
>> been people who have got more.But as a rule of thumb the rookies are a
very tough
>> pull.With so many rookies in the set and only a handfull being stars(for
now).The
>> chances of pulling one of those stars is really really low.So does anyone
think it is
>> fair to offer someone $2.00 or even $5.00 for the common rookies.If that
is all they are
>> worth to anyone than open the damm boxes yourself and take your own
chances at about
>> $175.00 U.S. a box(I live in Canada so that is why I say U.S.)My goodness
at least be
>> willing to pay 50% of guide.
>> These are just a few little things that I believe would help this
newsgroup out.
>> I would really like to hear from other traders,sellers,buyers on how they
feel about my
>> comments.I will reply to each and everone who emails me directly.Not to
the board.Thank
>> you for this very long read.Happy New Years to everyone.I hope that your
home is filled
>> with happiness and prosperity in this new year and yes the beginning of a
new
>> century.Thanks,Winston.

>Hi Winston, Happy new year.

>I think it is an insult to a person to be offered under 20% for any card
>common or priced inserts, UNLESS you pull a one of one or a real good
>card out of a box that you open you must have somewhere between 32.3 %
>and 38.7 % book just to break even on the cost of the box. What really
>gets to me are dealers that offer to buy cards at 8 to 15% book when they
>of all people should know that you can't recover the cost of product at
>that price.
>I realise that they are buying them for resale and they must make some
>profit. But I for one won't sell my cards at those prices. It as you say
>can be given to the childrens hospital or scout groups and you would get
>more satisfaction.

>Also Factor what it costs to put together a set in most cases today I use
>99 Bowmans Best as an example, You pay about $80.00 a box and you need
>six boxes to make a set. Add in your taxes and you are paying about
>$500.00 to put together a set. LOL. Then somebody wants to buy that set
>for $60.00  Yeah Right.

>Just venting.

>Thanks
>Ted N.

 
 
 

Why not post what you are paying???

Post by Ragto » Sun, 02 Jan 2000 04:00:00


Some people aren't necessarily out to make a buck... I try and buy low for
one reason:  I AM A COLLECTOR!!!  I don't try and turn around cards to make
a buck, when I sell cards, it goes right back into cards I want.
Just my 4 cents

Quote:

>I don't necessarily agree with most of this. It makes sense in theory. But
>when Book Value is so ridiculously high on many worthless inserts, it
breaks
>down. Many of these cards that people are buying at 10-20% of BV can be
>bought on Ebay for 20-25% of BV or less. And its not worth it to sell on
>Ebay for small dollar cards when you factor in Ebay costs and time. I
>currently have tons of inserts from opening 28 boxes of 99 Ultimate Victory
>baseball that I'd love to sell at 20% of BV. I've offered them individually
>at 25% of book and no-one really wants them. This includes all McGwire,
>A-rod,Griffey,Nomar,etc. inserts.
>I'd love to sell all of it at 15% BV if anyone would take it.
>People offer to buy at slightly under the going price so they can make a
>profit. I do agree that people should post what they are paying, but this
>often varies based on centering, condition, and quantity.

>Just my 2 cents.

>brad



>>> I am not sure if anyone agrees with me or not.But I wish that people
>>> who are buying cards would just post what they are paying.It is kind of
a
>waste of time
>>> to email someone.Leave them a long list,only to find out that they are
>only paying 10%.I
>>> know for myself I will not sell anything for 10%.I have more
sadisfaction
>in donating
>>> that stuff to the local junior programs that my children are involved
>in.But it is
>>> everyones right to pay or sell at what ever they want.Just wish that if
>you are buying
>>> than let everyone know what you are paying than we can decide weather or
>not we are
>>> willing to sell for what you are offering.Then there are those who post
>who
>>> saying.Buying all"WHATEVER".You email them and they then tell you that
>they are only
>>> buying cards #/25 or less or
>>> game used,Rookies that book for more than $100.00 or whatever excuses
>they use.Why not
>>> just say that from the start.Saves everyone a lot of time.I know myself
>when I trade I
>>> am only interested in SP basketball rookies of Hill,Garnett,Kidd, or
>Duncan(#128 only)
>>> or Finest Garnett rookies.I have very few trade offers.I am sure a lot
of
>people have a
>>> great laugh about me wanting some of the hottesy cards in the hobby for
>inserts or other
>>> rookies.But my point is it saves a lot of people a lot of time.They do
>not email me if
>>> they are not willing to trade those good cards away.
>>> Finially my last little beef.I am sure that I am no different than each
>and everyone of
>>> you out there.I like a good deal as well as the next person.But I would
>like to leave
>>> you with a small example of what I believe is not offering fair
>prices.1999 SP Authentic
>>> football is without a dought one of the hottest products in this hobby
at
>present
>>> time.You normally get one rookie per box.Ocassionially 2 per box.And I
am
>sure there has
>>> been people who have got more.But as a rule of thumb the rookies are a
>very tough
>>> pull.With so many rookies in the set and only a handfull being stars(for
>now).The
>>> chances of pulling one of those stars is really really low.So does
anyone
>think it is
>>> fair to offer someone $2.00 or even $5.00 for the common rookies.If that
>is all they are
>>> worth to anyone than open the damm boxes yourself and take your own
>chances at about
>>> $175.00 U.S. a box(I live in Canada so that is why I say U.S.)My
goodness
>at least be
>>> willing to pay 50% of guide.
>>> These are just a few little things that I believe would help this
>newsgroup out.
>>> I would really like to hear from other traders,sellers,buyers on how
they
>feel about my
>>> comments.I will reply to each and everone who emails me directly.Not to
>the board.Thank
>>> you for this very long read.Happy New Years to everyone.I hope that your
>home is filled
>>> with happiness and prosperity in this new year and yes the beginning of
a
>new
>>> century.Thanks,Winston.

>>Hi Winston, Happy new year.

>>I think it is an insult to a person to be offered under 20% for any card
>>common or priced inserts, UNLESS you pull a one of one or a real good
>>card out of a box that you open you must have somewhere between 32.3 %
>>and 38.7 % book just to break even on the cost of the box. What really
>>gets to me are dealers that offer to buy cards at 8 to 15% book when they
>>of all people should know that you can't recover the cost of product at
>>that price.
>>I realise that they are buying them for resale and they must make some
>>profit. But I for one won't sell my cards at those prices. It as you say
>>can be given to the childrens hospital or scout groups and you would get
>>more satisfaction.

>>Also Factor what it costs to put together a set in most cases today I use
>>99 Bowmans Best as an example, You pay about $80.00 a box and you need
>>six boxes to make a set. Add in your taxes and you are paying about
>>$500.00 to put together a set. LOL. Then somebody wants to buy that set
>>for $60.00  Yeah Right.

>>Just venting.

>>Thanks
>>Ted N.

 
 
 

Why not post what you are paying???

Post by Theodore Nobl » Mon, 03 Jan 2000 04:00:00


Quote:

> I am not sure if anyone agrees with me or not.But I wish that people
> who are buying cards would just post what they are paying.It is kind of a waste of time
> to email someone.Leave them a long list,only to find out that they are only paying 10%.I
> know for myself I will not sell anything for 10%.I have more sadisfaction in donating
> that stuff to the local junior programs that my children are involved in.But it is
> everyones right to pay or sell at what ever they want.Just wish that if you are buying
> than let everyone know what you are paying than we can decide weather or not we are
> willing to sell for what you are offering.Then there are those who post who
> saying.Buying all"WHATEVER".You email them and they then tell you that they are only
> buying cards #/25 or less or
> game used,Rookies that book for more than $100.00 or whatever excuses they use.Why not
> just say that from the start.Saves everyone a lot of time.I know myself when I trade I
> am only interested in SP basketball rookies of Hill,Garnett,Kidd, or Duncan(#128 only)
> or Finest Garnett rookies.I have very few trade offers.I am sure a lot of people have a
> great laugh about me wanting some of the hottesy cards in the hobby for inserts or other
> rookies.But my point is it saves a lot of people a lot of time.They do not email me if
> they are not willing to trade those good cards away.
> Finially my last little beef.I am sure that I am no different than each and everyone of
> you out there.I like a good deal as well as the next person.But I would like to leave
> you with a small example of what I believe is not offering fair prices.1999 SP Authentic
> football is without a dought one of the hottest products in this hobby at present
> time.You normally get one rookie per box.Ocassionially 2 per box.And I am sure there has
> been people who have got more.But as a rule of thumb the rookies are a very tough
> pull.With so many rookies in the set and only a handfull being stars(for now).The
> chances of pulling one of those stars is really really low.So does anyone think it is
> fair to offer someone $2.00 or even $5.00 for the common rookies.If that is all they are
> worth to anyone than open the damm boxes yourself and take your own chances at about
> $175.00 U.S. a box(I live in Canada so that is why I say U.S.)My goodness at least be
> willing to pay 50% of guide.
> These are just a few little things that I believe would help this newsgroup out.
> I would really like to hear from other traders,sellers,buyers on how they feel about my
> comments.I will reply to each and everone who emails me directly.Not to the board.Thank
> you for this very long read.Happy New Years to everyone.I hope that your home is filled
> with happiness and prosperity in this new year and yes the beginning of a new
> century.Thanks,Winston.

Hi Winston, Happy new year.

I think it is an insult to a person to be offered under 20% for any card
common or priced inserts, UNLESS you pull a one of one or a real good
card out of a box that you open you must have somewhere between 32.3 %
and 38.7 % book just to break even on the cost of the box. What really
gets to me are dealers that offer to buy cards at 8 to 15% book when they
of all people should know that you can't recover the cost of product at
that price.
I realise that they are buying them for resale and they must make some
profit. But I for one won't sell my cards at those prices. It as you say
can be given to the childrens hospital or scout groups and you would get
more satisfaction.

Also Factor what it costs to put together a set in most cases today I use
99 Bowmans Best as an example, You pay about $80.00 a box and you need
six boxes to make a set. Add in your taxes and you are paying about
$500.00 to put together a set. LOL. Then somebody wants to buy that set
for $60.00  Yeah Right.

Just venting.

Thanks
Ted N.

 
 
 

Why not post what you are paying???

Post by Home Hsie » Mon, 03 Jan 2000 04:00:00


it is a great idea. Save some time.........


Quote:

>I couldn't agree more.  I am sick of everyone trying to buy at 10 or 15% of
>book. Seems to me that when we buy boxes or cards at shows, nobody sells
for
>10 or 15%.  Example - 99/00 SPx Hockey.
>A bigger rip-off hasn't happened yet!  Opened 4 boxes and not one card past
># 154 !!!!!!!!  NO RADIANCE !!!!!!!!! and 1 LOUSY autograph. I'm not crying
>to you all, but when you want a card and say that $6.00 is to much for a
>numbered rookie, or $10.00 is to much for a #154 Kariya, GET REAL !!!!!!!
>I've been a collector/dealer for over 10 years, and I have never seen more
>ridiculous offers than we see today. So much so that I don't do shows
>anymore, and rarely sell anything on line, because frankly I would rather
>give the cards to a childrens hospital than sell at the ABSURD prices that
>most people offer. Sorry for the rant, and OH YEA, has anyone got an OPC
>Patrick Roy Rookie for under $15.00.



>> I am not sure if anyone agrees with me or not.But I wish that people
>> who are buying cards would just post what they are paying.It is kind of a
>waste of time
>> to email someone.Leave them a long list,only to find out that they are
>only paying 10%.I
>> know for myself I will not sell anything for 10%.I have more sadisfaction
>in donating
>> that stuff to the local junior programs that my children are involved
>in.But it is
>> everyones right to pay or sell at what ever they want.Just wish that if
>you are buying
>> than let everyone know what you are paying than we can decide weather or
>not we are
>> willing to sell for what you are offering.Then there are those who post
>who
>> saying.Buying all"WHATEVER".You email them and they then tell you that
>they are only
>> buying cards #/25 or less or
>> game used,Rookies that book for more than $100.00 or whatever excuses
they
>use.Why not
>> just say that from the start.Saves everyone a lot of time.I know myself
>when I trade I
>> am only interested in SP basketball rookies of Hill,Garnett,Kidd, or
>Duncan(#128 only)
>> or Finest Garnett rookies.I have very few trade offers.I am sure a lot of
>people have a
>> great laugh about me wanting some of the hottesy cards in the hobby for
>inserts or other
>> rookies.But my point is it saves a lot of people a lot of time.They do
not
>email me if
>> they are not willing to trade those good cards away.
>> Finially my last little beef.I am sure that I am no different than each
>and everyone of
>> you out there.I like a good deal as well as the next person.But I would
>like to leave
>> you with a small example of what I believe is not offering fair
>prices.1999 SP Authentic
>> football is without a dought one of the hottest products in this hobby at
>present
>> time.You normally get one rookie per box.Ocassionially 2 per box.And I am
>sure there has
>> been people who have got more.But as a rule of thumb the rookies are a
>very tough
>> pull.With so many rookies in the set and only a handfull being stars(for
>now).The
>> chances of pulling one of those stars is really really low.So does anyone
>think it is
>> fair to offer someone $2.00 or even $5.00 for the common rookies.If that
>is all they are
>> worth to anyone than open the damm boxes yourself and take your own
>chances at about
>> $175.00 U.S. a box(I live in Canada so that is why I say U.S.)My goodness
>at least be
>> willing to pay 50% of guide.
>> These are just a few little things that I believe would help this
>newsgroup out.
>> I would really like to hear from other traders,sellers,buyers on how they
>feel about my
>> comments.I will reply to each and everone who emails me directly.Not to
>the board.Thank
>> you for this very long read.Happy New Years to everyone.I hope that your
>home is filled
>> with happiness and prosperity in this new year and yes the beginning of a
>new
>> century.Thanks,Winston.

 
 
 

Why not post what you are paying???

Post by Chris Fairchi » Mon, 03 Jan 2000 04:00:00


Truth is - unless it's a brand new, rare, hot insert or a decent RC - it's
very difficult to sell anything these days for more than 30% guide.  I'm
talking about at card shows or on online auctions, presumably to other
collectors.  Most of the low end inserts and regular issues I sell for 25%
or less and I don't get a lot of nibbles even at that price.  Nicer stuff,
like current inserts and good rookie cards, you might be able to get 50% or
more for.  So, an offer of 10% for low end stuff is not bad from a dealer.
He or she will probably be lucky to get their money back on most of it.

Chris

Quote:


>> I am not sure if anyone agrees with me or not.But I wish that people
>> who are buying cards would just post what they are paying.It is kind of a
waste of time
>> to email someone.Leave them a long list,only to find out that they are
only paying 10%.I
>> know for myself I will not sell anything for 10%.I have more sadisfaction
in donating
>> that stuff to the local junior programs that my children are involved
in.But it is
>> everyones right to pay or sell at what ever they want.Just wish that if
you are buying
>> than let everyone know what you are paying than we can decide weather or
not we are
>> willing to sell for what you are offering.Then there are those who post
who
>> saying.Buying all"WHATEVER".You email them and they then tell you that
they are only
>> buying cards #/25 or less or
>> game used,Rookies that book for more than $100.00 or whatever excuses
they use.Why not
>> just say that from the start.Saves everyone a lot of time.I know myself
when I trade I
>> am only interested in SP basketball rookies of Hill,Garnett,Kidd, or
Duncan(#128 only)
>> or Finest Garnett rookies.I have very few trade offers.I am sure a lot of
people have a
>> great laugh about me wanting some of the hottesy cards in the hobby for
inserts or other
>> rookies.But my point is it saves a lot of people a lot of time.They do
not email me if
>> they are not willing to trade those good cards away.
>> Finially my last little beef.I am sure that I am no different than each
and everyone of
>> you out there.I like a good deal as well as the next person.But I would
like to leave
>> you with a small example of what I believe is not offering fair

prices.1999 SP Authentic

- Show quoted text -

Quote:
>> football is without a dought one of the hottest products in this hobby at
present
>> time.You normally get one rookie per box.Ocassionially 2 per box.And I am
sure there has
>> been people who have got more.But as a rule of thumb the rookies are a
very tough
>> pull.With so many rookies in the set and only a handfull being stars(for
now).The
>> chances of pulling one of those stars is really really low.So does anyone
think it is
>> fair to offer someone $2.00 or even $5.00 for the common rookies.If that
is all they are
>> worth to anyone than open the damm boxes yourself and take your own
chances at about
>> $175.00 U.S. a box(I live in Canada so that is why I say U.S.)My goodness
at least be
>> willing to pay 50% of guide.
>> These are just a few little things that I believe would help this
newsgroup out.
>> I would really like to hear from other traders,sellers,buyers on how they
feel about my
>> comments.I will reply to each and everone who emails me directly.Not to
the board.Thank
>> you for this very long read.Happy New Years to everyone.I hope that your
home is filled
>> with happiness and prosperity in this new year and yes the beginning of a
new
>> century.Thanks,Winston.

>Hi Winston, Happy new year.

>I think it is an insult to a person to be offered under 20% for any card
>common or priced inserts, UNLESS you pull a one of one or a real good
>card out of a box that you open you must have somewhere between 32.3 %
>and 38.7 % book just to break even on the cost of the box. What really
>gets to me are dealers that offer to buy cards at 8 to 15% book when they
>of all people should know that you can't recover the cost of product at
>that price.
>I realise that they are buying them for resale and they must make some
>profit. But I for one won't sell my cards at those prices. It as you say
>can be given to the childrens hospital or scout groups and you would get
>more satisfaction.

>Also Factor what it costs to put together a set in most cases today I use
>99 Bowmans Best as an example, You pay about $80.00 a box and you need
>six boxes to make a set. Add in your taxes and you are paying about
>$500.00 to put together a set. LOL. Then somebody wants to buy that set
>for $60.00  Yeah Right.

>Just venting.

>Thanks
>Ted N.

 
 
 

Why not post what you are paying???

Post by Stan » Tue, 04 Jan 2000 04:00:00


Chris is 100% right!  What Chris said below is the way it is in this
hobby, but those trying to sell their cards do not think .

Quote:

> Truth is - unless it's a brand new, rare, hot insert or a decent RC - it's
> very difficult to sell anything these days for more than 30% guide.  I'm
> talking about at card shows or on online auctions, presumably to other
> collectors.  Most of the low end inserts and regular issues I sell for 25%
> or less and I don't get a lot of nibbles even at that price.  Nicer stuff,
> like current inserts and good rookie cards, you might be able to get 50% or
> more for.  So, an offer of 10% for low end stuff is not bad from a dealer.
> He or she will probably be lucky to get their money back on most of it.

> Chris



> >> I am not sure if anyone agrees with me or not.But I wish that people
> >> who are buying cards would just post what they are paying.It is kind of a
> waste of time
> >> to email someone.Leave them a long list,only to find out that they are
> only paying 10%.I
> >> know for myself I will not sell anything for 10%.I have more sadisfaction
> in donating
> >> that stuff to the local junior programs that my children are involved
> in.But it is
> >> everyones right to pay or sell at what ever they want.Just wish that if
> you are buying
> >> than let everyone know what you are paying than we can decide weather or
> not we are
> >> willing to sell for what you are offering.Then there are those who post
> who
> >> saying.Buying all"WHATEVER".You email them and they then tell you that
> they are only
> >> buying cards #/25 or less or
> >> game used,Rookies that book for more than $100.00 or whatever excuses
> they use.Why not
> >> just say that from the start.Saves everyone a lot of time.I know myself
> when I trade I
> >> am only interested in SP basketball rookies of Hill,Garnett,Kidd, or
> Duncan(#128 only)
> >> or Finest Garnett rookies.I have very few trade offers.I am sure a lot of
> people have a
> >> great laugh about me wanting some of the hottesy cards in the hobby for
> inserts or other
> >> rookies.But my point is it saves a lot of people a lot of time.They do
> not email me if
> >> they are not willing to trade those good cards away.
> >> Finially my last little beef.I am sure that I am no different than each
> and everyone of
> >> you out there.I like a good deal as well as the next person.But I would
> like to leave
> >> you with a small example of what I believe is not offering fair
> prices.1999 SP Authentic
> >> football is without a dought one of the hottest products in this hobby at
> present
> >> time.You normally get one rookie per box.Ocassionially 2 per box.And I am
> sure there has
> >> been people who have got more.But as a rule of thumb the rookies are a
> very tough
> >> pull.With so many rookies in the set and only a handfull being stars(for
> now).The
> >> chances of pulling one of those stars is really really low.So does anyone
> think it is
> >> fair to offer someone $2.00 or even $5.00 for the common rookies.If that
> is all they are
> >> worth to anyone than open the damm boxes yourself and take your own
> chances at about
> >> $175.00 U.S. a box(I live in Canada so that is why I say U.S.)My goodness
> at least be
> >> willing to pay 50% of guide.
> >> These are just a few little things that I believe would help this
> newsgroup out.
> >> I would really like to hear from other traders,sellers,buyers on how they
> feel about my
> >> comments.I will reply to each and everone who emails me directly.Not to
> the board.Thank
> >> you for this very long read.Happy New Years to everyone.I hope that your
> home is filled
> >> with happiness and prosperity in this new year and yes the beginning of a
> new
> >> century.Thanks,Winston.

> >Hi Winston, Happy new year.

> >I think it is an insult to a person to be offered under 20% for any card
> >common or priced inserts, UNLESS you pull a one of one or a real good
> >card out of a box that you open you must have somewhere between 32.3 %
> >and 38.7 % book just to break even on the cost of the box. What really
> >gets to me are dealers that offer to buy cards at 8 to 15% book when they
> >of all people should know that you can't recover the cost of product at
> >that price.
> >I realise that they are buying them for resale and they must make some
> >profit. But I for one won't sell my cards at those prices. It as you say
> >can be given to the childrens hospital or scout groups and you would get
> >more satisfaction.

> >Also Factor what it costs to put together a set in most cases today I use
> >99 Bowmans Best as an example, You pay about $80.00 a box and you need
> >six boxes to make a set. Add in your taxes and you are paying about
> >$500.00 to put together a set. LOL. Then somebody wants to buy that set
> >for $60.00  Yeah Right.

> >Just venting.

> >Thanks
> >Ted N.

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Why not post what you are paying???

Post by Stan » Tue, 04 Jan 2000 04:00:00


It might be a great idea and it might save the person looking for the
cards time, but an experienced person will not list a buy price because
someone might offer to sell it for less than what they buyer is willing
to pay.  I know this happens all the time for a fact because I have
bought TONS of cards for less than what I would be actually willing to
pay.  Now if someone sends you a want list, then FIRST thing you need to
do is find out how much they are paying and if it is not worth it to
you, then do not look for their cards.  It is that simple.  But most of
you guys would rather blame the buyer for not stating what price they
will pay after you spend all this time looking for their cards.  So
instead of complaining about why people do not post what price they are
willing to pay, why not just ask them before looking for their cards???

Quote:

> it is a great idea. Save some time.........


> >I couldn't agree more.  I am sick of everyone trying to buy at 10 or 15% of
> >book. Seems to me that when we buy boxes or cards at shows, nobody sells
> for
> >10 or 15%.  Example - 99/00 SPx Hockey.
> >A bigger rip-off hasn't happened yet!  Opened 4 boxes and not one card past
> ># 154 !!!!!!!!  NO RADIANCE !!!!!!!!! and 1 LOUSY autograph. I'm not crying
> >to you all, but when you want a card and say that $6.00 is to much for a
> >numbered rookie, or $10.00 is to much for a #154 Kariya, GET REAL !!!!!!!
> >I've been a collector/dealer for over 10 years, and I have never seen more
> >ridiculous offers than we see today. So much so that I don't do shows
> >anymore, and rarely sell anything on line, because frankly I would rather
> >give the cards to a childrens hospital than sell at the ABSURD prices that
> >most people offer. Sorry for the rant, and OH YEA, has anyone got an OPC
> >Patrick Roy Rookie for under $15.00.



> >> I am not sure if anyone agrees with me or not.But I wish that people
> >> who are buying cards would just post what they are paying.It is kind of a
> >waste of time
> >> to email someone.Leave them a long list,only to find out that they are
> >only paying 10%.I
> >> know for myself I will not sell anything for 10%.I have more sadisfaction
> >in donating
> >> that stuff to the local junior programs that my children are involved
> >in.But it is
> >> everyones right to pay or sell at what ever they want.Just wish that if
> >you are buying
> >> than let everyone know what you are paying than we can decide weather or
> >not we are
> >> willing to sell for what you are offering.Then there are those who post
> >who
> >> saying.Buying all"WHATEVER".You email them and they then tell you that
> >they are only
> >> buying cards #/25 or less or
> >> game used,Rookies that book for more than $100.00 or whatever excuses
> they
> >use.Why not
> >> just say that from the start.Saves everyone a lot of time.I know myself
> >when I trade I
> >> am only interested in SP basketball rookies of Hill,Garnett,Kidd, or
> >Duncan(#128 only)
> >> or Finest Garnett rookies.I have very few trade offers.I am sure a lot of
> >people have a
> >> great laugh about me wanting some of the hottesy cards in the hobby for
> >inserts or other
> >> rookies.But my point is it saves a lot of people a lot of time.They do
> not
> >email me if
> >> they are not willing to trade those good cards away.
> >> Finially my last little beef.I am sure that I am no different than each
> >and everyone of
> >> you out there.I like a good deal as well as the next person.But I would
> >like to leave
> >> you with a small example of what I believe is not offering fair
> >prices.1999 SP Authentic
> >> football is without a dought one of the hottest products in this hobby at
> >present
> >> time.You normally get one rookie per box.Ocassionially 2 per box.And I am
> >sure there has
> >> been people who have got more.But as a rule of thumb the rookies are a
> >very tough
> >> pull.With so many rookies in the set and only a handfull being stars(for
> >now).The
> >> chances of pulling one of those stars is really really low.So does anyone
> >think it is
> >> fair to offer someone $2.00 or even $5.00 for the common rookies.If that
> >is all they are
> >> worth to anyone than open the damm boxes yourself and take your own
> >chances at about
> >> $175.00 U.S. a box(I live in Canada so that is why I say U.S.)My goodness
> >at least be
> >> willing to pay 50% of guide.
> >> These are just a few little things that I believe would help this
> >newsgroup out.
> >> I would really like to hear from other traders,sellers,buyers on how they
> >feel about my
> >> comments.I will reply to each and everone who emails me directly.Not to
> >the board.Thank
> >> you for this very long read.Happy New Years to everyone.I hope that your
> >home is filled
> >> with happiness and prosperity in this new year and yes the beginning of a
> >new
> >> century.Thanks,Winston.

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