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Post by Coo Gu » Wed, 31 Mar 1999 04:00:00



I'm a good trader
Quote:

>Recently I have found that the number of people who feel that it is their
right to
>keep the cards that you have traded for until they receive the ones from
me,has grown.
>I find this unexceptable in the hobby since if both parties are honest than
why would
>you not send at the same time.I have been selling and trading here in the
newsgroups for
>over three and half years.I have never not sent the cards.I have always
mailed when the
>trade was confirmed.As I am sure most of you can atest to for me.But all of
a sudden
>I have had few people who say they have not received cards from me.But the
funny part
>about it is that these same people are ones who wait until they receive
before they
>mail.To me they are dishonest right from the get go.But I would sooner know
myself that
>I have in fact mailed the cards and that I know my part was taken care
of.And by these
>people saying that they wait until they receive lets me know that they are
dishonest
>from the get go.I would think that if a person wants to be dishonest that
it is very
>easy to do so.When you mail cards to people,honesty plays a major part in
the deal.
>Anyone can say they never received.But ones track record speaks for
itself.I have had
>what I consider bad experiences with a few people and I would like to leave
you with
>their names and address and would like to know if anyone else has had
similiar or any
>questionable deals with any of these people.I would like to thank in
advance any of you
>who have taken the time to read and reply to this post.I am sorry about
having to vent
>my anger here in the newsgroup,but I just feel that honest traders are
falling by the
>way side because of these type of people who lie and cheat.Thanks,Winston
B.Hart

>Here is a short list of people who I will not under any conditions ever
trade with
>again.Irealize that this in only my side of the story and that they will
most likely
>have a version as well.I welcome any and all responses,and I will reply to
them all.

>Ted Ertl
>9 Treehaven Road
>West Seneca,N.Y.
>    14224
>     U.S.A.
>I sent Ted a Iverson Centurions #/500 back on March 10/99 for a few 1997/98
Topps
>Chrome basketball singles that I needed for my set.I emailed him 2 times
before he
>replied.At that time he told me that he does not send until he receives and
says he has
>not received.

>Jason Westfall
>4854 Bassett Ct.
>Concord,CA.
> 94521
> U.S.A.

>sent Jason a Jordan and Rodman Total-D from 1992-93 Fleer back on

Feb8/99.He emailed me

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Quote:
>in a week and said that he was waiting until he received the cards before
he mailed
>after he said that he would mail the same day.I told him that I considered
this
>dishonest and that if being a theaf meant more to him than being honest he
could keep
>the 2 cards I sent him.That it was worth it to know that he was a lier and
a cheat.

>Zack Martens
>2242 Sycamore Glen Dr.
>Sparks Nevada
>   89434
>  U.S.A.

>Sent this kid $798.00 in 1998 football rookies on March 8/99 for a Kobe
Chrome rookie.
>He will not reply to emails.He recived my cards.I sent registered mail,so I

know.
 
 
 

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Post by winston b har » Thu, 01 Apr 1999 04:00:00


Recently I have found that the number of people who feel that it is their right to
keep the cards that you have traded for until they receive the ones from me,has grown.
I find this unexceptable in the hobby since if both parties are honest than why would
you not send at the same time.I have been selling and trading here in the newsgroups for
over three and half years.I have never not sent the cards.I have always mailed when the
trade was confirmed.As I am sure most of you can atest to for me.But all of a sudden
I have had few people who say they have not received cards from me.But the funny part
about it is that these same people are ones who wait until they receive before they
mail.To me they are dishonest right from the get go.But I would sooner know myself that
I have in fact mailed the cards and that I know my part was taken care of.And by these
people saying that they wait until they receive lets me know that they are dishonest
from the get go.I would think that if a person wants to be dishonest that it is very
easy to do so.When you mail cards to people,honesty plays a major part in the deal.
Anyone can say they never received.But ones track record speaks for itself.I have had
what I consider bad experiences with a few people and I would like to leave you with
their names and address and would like to know if anyone else has had similiar or any
questionable deals with any of these people.I would like to thank in advance any of you
who have taken the time to read and reply to this post.I am sorry about having to vent
my anger here in the newsgroup,but I just feel that honest traders are falling by the
way side because of these type of people who lie and cheat.Thanks,Winston B.Hart

Here is a short list of people who I will not under any conditions ever trade with
again.Irealize that this in only my side of the story and that they will most likely
have a version as well.I welcome any and all responses,and I will reply to them all.

Ted Ertl
9 Treehaven Road
West Seneca,N.Y.
    14224
     U.S.A.
I sent Ted a Iverson Centurions #/500 back on March 10/99 for a few 1997/98 Topps
Chrome basketball singles that I needed for my set.I emailed him 2 times before he
replied.At that time he told me that he does not send until he receives and says he has
not received.

Jason Westfall
4854 Bassett Ct.
Concord,CA.
 94521
 U.S.A.

sent Jason a Jordan and Rodman Total-D from 1992-93 Fleer back on Feb8/99.He emailed me
in a week and said that he was waiting until he received the cards before he mailed
after he said that he would mail the same day.I told him that I considered this
dishonest and that if being a theaf meant more to him than being honest he could keep
the 2 cards I sent him.That it was worth it to know that he was a lier and a cheat.

Zack Martens
2242 Sycamore Glen Dr.
Sparks Nevada
   89434
  U.S.A.

Sent this kid $798.00 in 1998 football rookies on March 8/99 for a Kobe Chrome rookie.
He will not reply to emails.He recived my cards.I sent registered mail,so I know.

 
 
 

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Post by GamePlan » Thu, 01 Apr 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
>.Irealize that this in only my side of the story and that they will most
>likely
>have a version as well.I welcome any and all responses,and I will reply to
>them all.

Most of these guys aways have some excuse. Those that say they'll mail the same
day as you do and don't are liars..Could you please post their screen names so
we can stay away from these clowns.

Here's one I just dealt with.


I'd advise to use caution when trading with this person.. He's used all the
usual con claims on me...We had a agreement to send cards on the same day.  I
sent mine on the day we agreed.  Then I get a email from this guy saying sorry
I didn't get mine out, I had to go for surgery..

Then he's claimed that he didn't get my cards. I live in N.Y. he lives in Mn.
I sent cards to Ca.  the same day I sent his, those in Ca. got theirs 5 days
ago.

Today 3/30/99  he states oh I went to the P.O. they were holding them for me..
Yep the
P.O. always holds cards for people that weren't sent registered mail..

Still more...This guy is also claiming to have sent my cards...yet he's still
trading the cards he traded to me... Watch him people.

These are all the tricks a scam artist pulls.. They make some good trades then
when they have references you can check they start ripping people off..

Please do not deal with this guy.

 
 
 

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Post by T. Span » Thu, 01 Apr 1999 04:00:00


Ted Ertl delivered my product as promised.  I wouldn't go around posting
peoples names unless you are 100% sure that they are a bad trader.  Maybe
he never received the items.  Although you didn't accuse him outright of
being a con artist, I would personally be very upset if my name was on
your post.
Just my thoughts,
Tyge
Quote:

> I'm a good trader

> >Recently I have found that the number of people who feel that it is their
> right to
> >keep the cards that you have traded for until they receive the ones from
> me,has grown.
> >I find this unexceptable in the hobby since if both parties are honest than
> why would
> >you not send at the same time.I have been selling and trading here in the
> newsgroups for
> >over three and half years.I have never not sent the cards.I have always
> mailed when the
> >trade was confirmed.As I am sure most of you can atest to for me.But all of
> a sudden
> >I have had few people who say they have not received cards from me.But the
> funny part
> >about it is that these same people are ones who wait until they receive
> before they
> >mail.To me they are dishonest right from the get go.But I would sooner know
> myself that
> >I have in fact mailed the cards and that I know my part was taken care
> of.And by these
> >people saying that they wait until they receive lets me know that they are
> dishonest
> >from the get go.I would think that if a person wants to be dishonest that
> it is very
> >easy to do so.When you mail cards to people,honesty plays a major part in
> the deal.
> >Anyone can say they never received.But ones track record speaks for
> itself.I have had
> >what I consider bad experiences with a few people and I would like to leave
> you with
> >their names and address and would like to know if anyone else has had
> similiar or any
> >questionable deals with any of these people.I would like to thank in
> advance any of you
> >who have taken the time to read and reply to this post.I am sorry about
> having to vent
> >my anger here in the newsgroup,but I just feel that honest traders are
> falling by the
> >way side because of these type of people who lie and cheat.Thanks,Winston
> B.Hart

> >Here is a short list of people who I will not under any conditions ever
> trade with
> >again.Irealize that this in only my side of the story and that they will
> most likely
> >have a version as well.I welcome any and all responses,and I will reply to
> them all.

> >Ted Ertl
> >9 Treehaven Road
> >West Seneca,N.Y.
> >    14224
> >     U.S.A.
> >I sent Ted a Iverson Centurions #/500 back on March 10/99 for a few 1997/98
> Topps
> >Chrome basketball singles that I needed for my set.I emailed him 2 times
> before he
> >replied.At that time he told me that he does not send until he receives and
> says he has
> >not received.

> >Jason Westfall
> >4854 Bassett Ct.
> >Concord,CA.
> > 94521
> > U.S.A.

> >sent Jason a Jordan and Rodman Total-D from 1992-93 Fleer back on
> Feb8/99.He emailed me
> >in a week and said that he was waiting until he received the cards before
> he mailed
> >after he said that he would mail the same day.I told him that I considered
> this
> >dishonest and that if being a theaf meant more to him than being honest he
> could keep
> >the 2 cards I sent him.That it was worth it to know that he was a lier and
> a cheat.

> >Zack Martens
> >2242 Sycamore Glen Dr.
> >Sparks Nevada
> >   89434
> >  U.S.A.

> >Sent this kid $798.00 in 1998 football rookies on March 8/99 for a Kobe
> Chrome rookie.
> >He will not reply to emails.He recived my cards.I sent registered mail,so I
> know.

 
 
 

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Post by GamePlan » Thu, 01 Apr 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

>Date: Wed, Mar 31, 1999 14:34 EST
>Message-id:

>Ted Ertl delivered my product as promised.  I wouldn't go around posting
>peoples names unless you are 100% sure that they are a bad trader.  Maybe
>he never received the items.  Although you didn't accuse him outright of
>being a con artist, I would personally be very upset if my name was on
>your post.
>Just my thoughts,

If and I mean if Ted Ertl agreed to send at the same time and he did not..He's
a bad trader.,.  That's dishonest..
 
 
 

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Post by 3rd Basem » Thu, 01 Apr 1999 04:00:00


I can't agree with you. I am one of those people that prefer you send
your cards first (UNLESS YOU HAVE A FEW REFERENCES). I too have been
trading over the internet for several years. I have been ripped off
quite a few times. I myself can't speak for everyone that asks to send
your cards first, but I consider myself an honest trader. I have never
did anyone wrong nor will I ever do so. There will always be to sides
to every story so if you don't think you can trust someone in a trade,
send your cards where they must sign for them its as easy as that and
it only costs a few cents more. Much nicer than losing alot of nice
cards.

My opinion,
Steve
http://members.wbs.net/homepages/3/r/d/3rdbaseman/Frames.html



Quote:
>I'm a good trader

>>Recently I have found that the number of people who feel that it is their
>right to
>>keep the cards that you have traded for until they receive the ones from
>me,has grown.
>>I find this unexceptable in the hobby since if both parties are honest than
>why would
>>you not send at the same time.I have been selling and trading here in the
>newsgroups for
>>over three and half years.I have never not sent the cards.I have always
>mailed when the
>>trade was confirmed.As I am sure most of you can atest to for me.But all of
>a sudden
>>I have had few people who say they have not received cards from me.But the
>funny part
>>about it is that these same people are ones who wait until they receive
>before they
>>mail.To me they are dishonest right from the get go.But I would sooner know
>myself that
>>I have in fact mailed the cards and that I know my part was taken care
>of.And by these
>>people saying that they wait until they receive lets me know that they are
>dishonest
>>from the get go.I would think that if a person wants to be dishonest that
>it is very
>>easy to do so.When you mail cards to people,honesty plays a major part in
>the deal.
>>Anyone can say they never received.But ones track record speaks for
>itself.I have had
>>what I consider bad experiences with a few people and I would like to leave
>you with
>>their names and address and would like to know if anyone else has had
>similiar or any
>>questionable deals with any of these people.I would like to thank in
>advance any of you
>>who have taken the time to read and reply to this post.I am sorry about
>having to vent
>>my anger here in the newsgroup,but I just feel that honest traders are
>falling by the
>>way side because of these type of people who lie and cheat.Thanks,Winston
>B.Hart

>>Here is a short list of people who I will not under any conditions ever
>trade with
>>again.Irealize that this in only my side of the story and that they will
>most likely
>>have a version as well.I welcome any and all responses,and I will reply to
>them all.

>>Ted Ertl
>>9 Treehaven Road
>>West Seneca,N.Y.
>>    14224
>>     U.S.A.
>>I sent Ted a Iverson Centurions #/500 back on March 10/99 for a few 1997/98
>Topps
>>Chrome basketball singles that I needed for my set.I emailed him 2 times
>before he
>>replied.At that time he told me that he does not send until he receives and
>says he has
>>not received.

>>Jason Westfall
>>4854 Bassett Ct.
>>Concord,CA.
>> 94521
>> U.S.A.

>>sent Jason a Jordan and Rodman Total-D from 1992-93 Fleer back on
>Feb8/99.He emailed me
>>in a week and said that he was waiting until he received the cards before
>he mailed
>>after he said that he would mail the same day.I told him that I considered
>this
>>dishonest and that if being a theaf meant more to him than being honest he
>could keep
>>the 2 cards I sent him.That it was worth it to know that he was a lier and
>a cheat.

>>Zack Martens
>>2242 Sycamore Glen Dr.
>>Sparks Nevada
>>   89434
>>  U.S.A.

>>Sent this kid $798.00 in 1998 football rookies on March 8/99 for a Kobe
>Chrome rookie.
>>He will not reply to emails.He recived my cards.I sent registered mail,so I
>know.

 
 
 

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Post by Mark and Jennifer Troendl » Thu, 01 Apr 1999 04:00:00


It all depends on whether or not you announce your intentions to hold the
cards until you receive the other person's first.  I got seriously annoyed
about a guy who approached me about a trade...not me him.  We agreed to a
trade, and then he emails me when he received my cards telling me he had
received them and was now sending out his.  Huh?  That is unethical in my
opinion.  The fact that he approached me about the trade and did not
bother to even mention that he was holding his cards until receipt upset
me.  If you plan on doing this, for goodness sake tell the other person!
It's not right to hold the card without telling the other trader.  If no
mention of this is made, then I think most people assume (and rightly so)
that both parties are mailing at the same time.  Some folks will only deal
if both are sent at the same time, and it is only fair to tell them what
you intend before completing the trade.  

Mark

Quote:

> I can't agree with you. I am one of those people that prefer you send
> your cards first (UNLESS YOU HAVE A FEW REFERENCES). I too have been
> trading over the internet for several years. I have been ripped off
> quite a few times. I myself can't speak for everyone that asks to send
> your cards first, but I consider myself an honest trader. I have never
> did anyone wrong nor will I ever do so. There will always be to sides
> to every story so if you don't think you can trust someone in a trade,
> send your cards where they must sign for them its as easy as that and
> it only costs a few cents more. Much nicer than losing alot of nice
> cards.

> My opinion,
> Steve
> http://members.wbs.net/homepages/3/r/d/3rdbaseman/Frames.html



> >I'm a good trader

> >>Recently I have found that the number of people who feel that it is their
> >right to
> >>keep the cards that you have traded for until they receive the ones from
> >me,has grown.
> >>I find this unexceptable in the hobby since if both parties are honest than
> >why would
> >>you not send at the same time.I have been selling and trading here in the
> >newsgroups for
> >>over three and half years.I have never not sent the cards.I have always
> >mailed when the
> >>trade was confirmed.As I am sure most of you can atest to for me.But all of
> >a sudden
> >>I have had few people who say they have not received cards from me.But the
> >funny part
> >>about it is that these same people are ones who wait until they receive
> >before they
> >>mail.To me they are dishonest right from the get go.But I would sooner know
> >myself that
> >>I have in fact mailed the cards and that I know my part was taken care
> >of.And by these
> >>people saying that they wait until they receive lets me know that they are
> >dishonest
> >>from the get go.I would think that if a person wants to be dishonest that
> >it is very
> >>easy to do so.When you mail cards to people,honesty plays a major part in
> >the deal.
> >>Anyone can say they never received.But ones track record speaks for
> >itself.I have had
> >>what I consider bad experiences with a few people and I would like to leave
> >you with
> >>their names and address and would like to know if anyone else has had
> >similiar or any
> >>questionable deals with any of these people.I would like to thank in
> >advance any of you
> >>who have taken the time to read and reply to this post.I am sorry about
> >having to vent
> >>my anger here in the newsgroup,but I just feel that honest traders are
> >falling by the
> >>way side because of these type of people who lie and cheat.Thanks,Winston
> >B.Hart

> >>Here is a short list of people who I will not under any conditions ever
> >trade with
> >>again.Irealize that this in only my side of the story and that they will
> >most likely
> >>have a version as well.I welcome any and all responses,and I will reply to
> >them all.

> >>Ted Ertl
> >>9 Treehaven Road
> >>West Seneca,N.Y.
> >>    14224
> >>     U.S.A.
> >>I sent Ted a Iverson Centurions #/500 back on March 10/99 for a few 1997/98
> >Topps
> >>Chrome basketball singles that I needed for my set.I emailed him 2 times
> >before he
> >>replied.At that time he told me that he does not send until he receives and
> >says he has
> >>not received.

> >>Jason Westfall
> >>4854 Bassett Ct.
> >>Concord,CA.
> >> 94521
> >> U.S.A.

> >>sent Jason a Jordan and Rodman Total-D from 1992-93 Fleer back on
> >Feb8/99.He emailed me
> >>in a week and said that he was waiting until he received the cards before
> >he mailed
> >>after he said that he would mail the same day.I told him that I considered
> >this
> >>dishonest and that if being a theaf meant more to him than being honest he
> >could keep
> >>the 2 cards I sent him.That it was worth it to know that he was a lier and
> >a cheat.

> >>Zack Martens
> >>2242 Sycamore Glen Dr.
> >>Sparks Nevada
> >>   89434
> >>  U.S.A.

> >>Sent this kid $798.00 in 1998 football rookies on March 8/99 for a Kobe
> >Chrome rookie.
> >>He will not reply to emails.He recived my cards.I sent registered mail,so I
> >know.

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Post by Ryan Cracknel » Thu, 01 Apr 1999 04:00:00


I am definately in preference of both sending at the same time. I have
had a couple of people after working a trade out all of a sudden in
their last message say "I'll send your cards when I receive mine."

That just gets to me. If their attitude in their emails are not great,
I'll call it off right there. If they have a good reason, I'll go by my
gut.

I think that if you keep cards until you receive yours then at least
tell the prospective trader from first contact.

Ryan

Quote:

> Recently I have found that the number of people who feel that it is their right to
> keep the cards that you have traded for until they receive the ones from me,has grown.
> I find this unexceptable in the hobby since if both parties are honest than why would
> you not send at the same time.I have been selling and trading here in the newsgroups for
> over three and half years.I have never not sent the cards.I have always mailed when the
> trade was confirmed.As I am sure most of you can atest to for me.But all of a sudden
> I have had few people who say they have not received cards from me.But the funny part
> about it is that these same people are ones who wait until they receive before they
> mail.To me they are dishonest right from the get go.But I would sooner know myself that
> I have in fact mailed the cards and that I know my part was taken care of.And by these
> people saying that they wait until they receive lets me know that they are dishonest
> from the get go.I would think that if a person wants to be dishonest that it is very
> easy to do so.When you mail cards to people,honesty plays a major part in the deal.
> Anyone can say they never received.But ones track record speaks for itself.I have had
> what I consider bad experiences with a few people and I would like to leave you with
> their names and address and would like to know if anyone else has had similiar or any
> questionable deals with any of these people.I would like to thank in advance any of you
> who have taken the time to read and reply to this post.I am sorry about having to vent
> my anger here in the newsgroup,but I just feel that honest traders are falling by the
> way side because of these type of people who lie and cheat.Thanks,Winston B.Hart

> Here is a short list of people who I will not under any conditions ever trade with
> again.Irealize that this in only my side of the story and that they will most likely
> have a version as well.I welcome any and all responses,and I will reply to them all.

> Ted Ertl
> 9 Treehaven Road
> West Seneca,N.Y.
>     14224
>      U.S.A.
> I sent Ted a Iverson Centurions #/500 back on March 10/99 for a few 1997/98 Topps
> Chrome basketball singles that I needed for my set.I emailed him 2 times before he
> replied.At that time he told me that he does not send until he receives and says he has
> not received.

> Jason Westfall
> 4854 Bassett Ct.
> Concord,CA.
>  94521
>  U.S.A.

> sent Jason a Jordan and Rodman Total-D from 1992-93 Fleer back on Feb8/99.He emailed me
> in a week and said that he was waiting until he received the cards before he mailed
> after he said that he would mail the same day.I told him that I considered this
> dishonest and that if being a theaf meant more to him than being honest he could keep
> the 2 cards I sent him.That it was worth it to know that he was a lier and a cheat.

> Zack Martens
> 2242 Sycamore Glen Dr.
> Sparks Nevada
>    89434
>   U.S.A.

> Sent this kid $798.00 in 1998 football rookies on March 8/99 for a Kobe Chrome rookie.
> He will not reply to emails.He recived my cards.I sent registered mail,so I know.

 
 
 

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Post by Quinc » Thu, 01 Apr 1999 04:00:00


I agree with Winston, to a point.  I will elaborate (fancy that).

If the other party and I have agreed to send at the same time, I do
exactly that.  I make sure that the terms of the trade are spelled out
before I even start labelling envelopes.  A couple of times, my lack of
organization has put serious strain on a deal - as I'm sure Scott will
attest.  With some folks that I know VERY well, I just send and let them
reciprocate when they get around to it.  In a very few cases, I insist
that the other party send
(or receive! ;-)  )cards before I send.

Basically, anything that falls outside the terms of the agreement, and
was committed deliberately - hey, life happens outside this hobby -
constitutes poor trading practice.  Does waiting to receive before
sending constitute a bad trader?  In and of itself, no, unless the
agreement was otherwise.

Blah blah, yak yak.  Next?

--

"Somewhere in the sky is a homing impulse.  We are drawn back to where
we came from."
-Eric Hoffer

 
 
 

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Post by Theodore Nobl » Thu, 01 Apr 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

> I agree with Winston, to a point.  I will elaborate (fancy that).

> If the other party and I have agreed to send at the same time, I do
> exactly that.  I make sure that the terms of the trade are spelled out
> before I even start labelling envelopes.  A couple of times, my lack of
> organization has put serious strain on a deal - as I'm sure Scott will
> attest.  With some folks that I know VERY well, I just send and let them
> reciprocate when they get around to it.  In a very few cases, I insist
> that the other party send
> (or receive! ;-)  )cards before I send.

> Basically, anything that falls outside the terms of the agreement, and
> was committed deliberately - hey, life happens outside this hobby -
> constitutes poor trading practice.  Does waiting to receive before
> sending constitute a bad trader?  In and of itself, no, unless the
> agreement was otherwise.

> Blah blah, yak yak.  Next?

> --

> "Somewhere in the sky is a homing impulse.  We are drawn back to where
> we came from."
> -Eric Hoffer

Just have to get my two cents in here,

What happens if both parties decide to ship after they receive the cards
from the other person, WELL I guess the trade will take an awfully long
time before each gets their cards.

If both traders are above board and spellout the transaction before any
thing is sent, what ever arrangements are made then they should be
followed to the letter.

I feel that if you are dealing with a person, and I have over the years
dealt with many, many people all over the world, honesty is the best
policy. Unfortunatly you will always have the dishonest person out there.

 
 
 

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Post by MIke Bir » Thu, 01 Apr 1999 04:00:00


..Does anyone else find this getting a little tiresome?  I treat all deals
the same.  If I am the "Buyer", I send my payment (cards or $$) first & I
expect the "Seller" to receive my payment before sending my purchase.
  The reverse situation is handled exactly in reverse where I wait for
payment (cards or $$) before sending.
  This has worked successfully for over 4 years now and any deviation is
discussed and agreed in advance (tho there has been little need to deviate
in that time period).
  I don't consider myself or any person I've dealt with in this manner to
be a Bad Trader and I never will!

  My 2 cents.
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Thanks for reading.   MIke.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Recently I have found that the number of people who feel that it is their right to
keep the cards that you have traded for until they receive the ones from me,has grown.
I find this unexceptable in the hobby since if both parties are honest than why would
you not send at the same time.I have been selling and trading here in the newsgroups for
over three and half years.I have never not sent the cards.I have always mailed when the
trade was confirmed.As I am sure most of you can atest to for me.But all of a sudden
I have had few people who say they have not received cards from me.But the funny part
about it is that these same people are ones who wait until they receive before they
mail.To me they are dishonest right from the get go.But I would sooner know myself that
I have in fact mailed the cards and that I know my part was taken care of.And by these
people saying that they wait until they receive lets me know that they are dishonest
from the get go.I would think that if a person wants to be dishonest that it is very
easy to do so.When you mail cards to people,honesty plays a major part in the deal.
Anyone can say they never received.But ones track record speaks for itself.I have had
what I consider bad experiences with a few people and I would like to leave you with
their names and address and would like to know if anyone else has had similiar or any
questionable deals with any of these people.I would like to thank in advance any of you
who have taken the time to read and reply to this post.I am sorry about having to vent
my anger here in the newsgroup,but I just feel that honest traders are falling by the
way side because of these type of people who lie and cheat.Thanks,Winston B.Hart
Here is a short list of people who I will not under any conditions ever trade with
again.Irealize that this in only my side of the story and that they will most likely
have a version as well.I welcome any and all responses,and I will reply to them all.

Ted Ertl
9 Treehaven Road
West Seneca,N.Y.
    14224
     U.S.A.
I sent Ted a Iverson Centurions #/500 back on March 10/99 for a few 1997/98 Topps
Chrome basketball singles that I needed for my set.I emailed him 2 times before he
replied.At that time he told me that he does not send until he receives and says he has
not received.

Jason Westfall
4854 Bassett Ct.
Concord,CA.
 94521
 U.S.A.

sent Jason a Jordan and Rodman Total-D from 1992-93 Fleer back on Feb8/99.He emailed me
in a week and said that he was waiting until he received the cards before he mailed
after he said that he would mail the same day.I told him that I considered this
dishonest and that if being a theaf meant more to him than being honest he could keep
the 2 cards I sent him.That it was worth it to know that he was a lier and a cheat.

Zack Martens
2242 Sycamore Glen Dr.
Sparks Nevada
   89434
  U.S.A.

Sent this kid $798.00 in 1998 football rookies on March 8/99 for a Kobe Chrome rookie.
He will not reply to emails.He recived my cards.I sent registered mail,so I know.

 
 
 

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Post by Gregory Re » Sun, 11 Apr 1999 04:00:00


I almost had a deal set with a trader DJ and got no reply and I went ahead
and traded the card to someone else.
Later a few days later he wanted to know where his card was . There is no
deal if you do not  make and agree on a deal.
Furturemore, if you both agree to send at the same time as I have in the
past , how do you know the other trader is really sending
at the same time. "you don't ".  There is no way to tell anything when
dealing with unknowns over the net, you just hope you are dealing with a
person as
serious about trading as you are.  Last word "references don't really mean
squat", as another writer said. You can have a few or more good deals with
refs and then***the next 20 dealers.
So in this type of business it is at your own risk.   Trader beware.

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Post by thehube.. » Sun, 11 Apr 1999 04:00:00


I think what you did was perfectly fine. you got no reply from the
original person so you went ahead and dished the card to someone else.
It is there fault for not responding. I, however, would have told the
other person that i was going to trade it to someone else and given them
like a day or so to respond and make a deal with you.
--thats what i think. maybe others will diagree.
Quote:

> I almost had a deal set with a trader DJ and got no reply and I went ahead
> and traded the card to someone else.
> Later a few days later he wanted to know where his card was . There is no
> deal if you do not  make and agree on a deal.
> Furturemore, if you both agree to send at the same time as I have in the
> past , how do you know the other trader is really sending
> at the same time. "you don't ".  There is no way to tell anything when
> dealing with unknowns over the net, you just hope you are dealing with a
> person as
> serious about trading as you are.  Last word "references don't really mean
> squat", as another writer said. You can have a few or more good deals with
> refs and then***the next 20 dealers.
> So in this type of business it is at your own risk.   Trader beware.

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